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Linux Reaches 5% Desktop Market Share in USA

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Re: Linux Reaches 5% Desktop Market Share in USA

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Is SteamOS included? I am not really surprised. Linux is quite often only usable option, now when Win 10 is not really supported.

Why not use Win 11?

Because it's actively user hostile? Microsoft shoving their spyware and unwelcome AI into it regardless of consent

Re: Linux Reaches 5% Desktop Market Share in USA

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Based on the history of the tech industry, Linux adoption should be kept at this level and advanced no further. This is already the sweet spot for the "year of the Linux desktop," which should be celebrated by experts, technical users, and the sufficiently motivated. Once the unwashed masses start coming in, the software and its interaction patterns pander to the lowest common denominator and the quality of the mediu…

Linux based distributions solve this by not being a monoculture, no? Pandering to the masses would be in the form of specific desktop environment, and maybe specific distribution integrating it well with all kinds of desktop software. Nothing would change for the existing users of obscure software, hackishly stitched together.

Not at all. All Linux distributions essentially run the same software with different packages and configuration files. There are a few either/or choices they make, but it’s mostly overlap with very little disro specific software.

If Linux software starts widely adapting more dark patterns it will probably impact users across all distributions.

Re: Linux Reaches 5% Desktop Market Share in USA

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I have to wonder how much of this is people switching to Linux vs the larger trend of people not having traditional computers to begin with.

Outside of gamers, I don't know anyone that has a computer at home that is not their work laptop if they have one. At least in my circle everyone I know has moved to their general computing being on phones and tablets which is not captured here. So is a solid chunk of this the people that would have already had Linux desktops continuing to have theirs since they would likely be the same people (more technical, needing to do tasks not possible on phones and tablets) less likely to be making that switch.

Basically if the higher percent is due to less desktops overall instead of a major uptick in Linux desktops, it is not really much to celebrate.

Given these numbers are percents I would be very curious.

Now yes there is a clear uptick thanks to the Steam Deck (however with Microsoft pushing their optimized for gaming Windows it will be interesting to see if that continues or goes backwards). But I would be reluctant to call that Linux Desktop anymore than I would call Android an uptick for Linux.

Re: Linux Reaches 5% Desktop Market Share in USA

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I think this plays a huge part, is it elders/poorer/others that receive these machines? A new machine for an enterprise or gamer will probably retain windows because it's needed but people not using their computers for more than surfing will be happy enough. On that side-note I would also not be surprised if people are leaving "computers" altogether in favor of phones, it's a capable enough computer today for most la…

Anecdotal evidence, but Steams' Proton compatibility layer that lets you run Windows-only games on Linux works really really well. I haven't had to log into years and years by now.

Same. Finally no reason to boot Windows on any machine.

Re: Linux Reaches 5% Desktop Market Share in USA

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I have to ask - what OS do AI-training web scrapers tend to report? (A mixture? One with > 5% linux market share? Sorry, being a sceptic, otherwise I think this is fantastic news if accurately measured).

Most of these types of surveys do their best to filter out robots.

With over 50% of Internet traffic being robots, the results really don't make any sense at all if you don't.

Re: Linux Reaches 5% Desktop Market Share in USA

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I have to ask - what OS do AI-training web scrapers tend to report? (A mixture? One with > 5% linux market share? Sorry, being a sceptic, otherwise I think this is fantastic news if accurately measured).

I tend to think that they mostly should be using their own user agent, and if not be desguised as the most common ones to avoid being detected too easily. Web scaping probably has been mostly running under Linux before the age of AI anyway. I'm not in the field, so if anyone more trustworthy info on that...

Yes they run Linux, but they either have their own user agent (not included in the stats) or are spoofing a real world web browser... In which case they might be spoofing Chrome on Windows even if they run on Linux.

Either way I don't think the 5% are impacted by scraping bots.

Re: Linux Reaches 5% Desktop Market Share in USA

#57

I work in the refurb division of an e-waste recycling company. Due to licensing costs and our certifications, we can't sell anything with Windows. My coworkers install Ubuntu, but I install Linux Mint. We don't have any clue if people keep using Linux or install Windows, but it's cool to think we're helping to move this needle. Edit: might as well link to the merch: https://www.ebay.com/str/evolutionecycling

I thought the Windows license was burned into the BIOS, so a reinstall would pick it up automatically?

The biggest issue right now is really the upcoming EOL of Windows 10. Most of these machines will be old enough (pre Intel 8th gen or Zen 2) that they won't be officially supported by Windows 11.

Re: Linux Reaches 5% Desktop Market Share in USA

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought the Windows license was burned into the BIOS, so a reinstall would pick it up automatically?

I worked selling refurb computers and this wasn't the case from Windows 95 - XP. The rise of TPMs and EFI is after that time so it's possible some newer system provides a way of tying licenses to computers, but it's not BIOS.

Well, it's been 2 decades so things do have changed.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/activate-windows...

https://superuser.com/questions/1575650/how-does-a-windows-d...

Re: Linux Reaches 5% Desktop Market Share in USA

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Based on the history of the tech industry, Linux adoption should be kept at this level and advanced no further. This is already the sweet spot for the "year of the Linux desktop," which should be celebrated by experts, technical users, and the sufficiently motivated. Once the unwashed masses start coming in, the software and its interaction patterns pander to the lowest common denominator and the quality of the mediu…

"oh no, the peasants are using MY operating system, this can't be good"

Just switch to Qubes OS, and you're special again. (Worked for me.)

Re: Linux Reaches 5% Desktop Market Share in USA

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The statscounter data is not reliable, and it is just embarrassing how often these posts make it to the HN frontpage. You even have a demonstration in this very article, with the surge of classic Mac OS to 7% for several months . The data is obviously nonsense, and when it has errors nobody at the company cares about them. But when they have persistent "data reporting issues", why are we supposed to believe any of th…

Note that OS X goes down for the same period. I believe Apple is calling it MacOS now. So that looks like it might be some change in how Apple computers are reporting their OS.

"mac OS" not "MacOS". MacOS is for the older pre-OS X versions.
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