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Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Post by ptx »

praptak wrote: post #26

Not many companies explicitly prepare for the scenario where every single data storage unit in the company is effectively wiped and you have to redeploy from zero. If you never bootstrap from zero (nor simulate this) then your systems probably have cycles in their deployment dependencies. Your config pusher is deployed from Jenkins/Puppet/Ansible but 2 years ago someone made Jenkins dependent on the config pusher for…

So how could a company handle this? Can they bootstrap from printed documentation or is that assumed to be wiped as well?

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Post by sofixa »

v5v3 wrote: post #34
trhway wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By going to war with Ukraine Russia (very foolishly in my view) exposed itself to a number of possible "indirect actions" which weren't possible before as "direct actions". Like for example Ukrainian drone hitting one of the Russian strategic missile defense radars. Ukraine can potentially hit other strategic assets not that involved in the current war - say nuclear submarines for example.

Russia and all non-usa allies have been the winner. China etc have seen the strategies used in sanctions. They know how to limit their impact now. It's also brought Russia/China/Iran/North Korea and wider Brics together. It's been a disaster for the west. The measure of success was Russia weakened and ideally Putin weakened or gone. And instead Russia have shrugged off the sanctions, and Putin is much stronger. And t…

> And the Russian military has gained real battle tested knowledge.

Yes, on using human wave attacks, trenches, and cheap Iranian drones. Oh, and at the cost of almost all trained troops and modern equipment. Not a very good deal.

> It's been a disaster for the west. The measure of success was Russia weakened and ideally Putin weakened or gone. And instead Russia have shrugged off the sanctions, and Putin is much stronger.

Russia started the war, they are the ones who need to win it. The fact that they are stalled is a win for Ukraine, who are the ones trying to survive. The Russian economy is in shambles (cf. the Broken window fallacy), as are their army, navy and air force. It will take them decades to rearm back to the same level. Putin isn't stronger, really. He entered a quagmire of a war he cannot back out of (will appear weak) nor can he actually win in any way. He's stuck.

> It's also brought Russia/China/Iran/North Korea and wider Brics together.

Are you sure you understand what BRICS is? Everyone using Russia's predicament to get cheap natural resources doesn't mean that e.g. Brazil or India are closer to Russia...

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Post by jjani »

worldsayshi wrote: post #60
lnsru wrote: post #2

Working for a company in Germany which is planing production 3 months in advance using printed Excel sheets. The migration of ERP system gone wrong and nobody knows how to fix it. Production management tries to hide this fact and does not talk to the engineering department. This will go for years, consultants will gather their fees for non functional system. Obviously IT infrastructure is not needed for manufacturing…

Excel has the benefit of being understandable and fixable by a lot of regular office workers. It's a bit surprising that we don't have that feature as a requirement for most IT infrastructure. It would make it so much more usable.

Most of those office workers were not capable of fixing anything on the first day they used Excel. Many didn't understand it at all. The main difference isn't that Excel is super accessible and easy to use for non-technical people; it's its ubiquity, and especially that of training on its usage.

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Post by frteger »

lnsru wrote: post #2

Working for a company in Germany which is planing production 3 months in advance using printed Excel sheets. The migration of ERP system gone wrong and nobody knows how to fix it. Production management tries to hide this fact and does not talk to the engineering department. This will go for years, consultants will gather their fees for non functional system. Obviously IT infrastructure is not needed for manufacturing…

Working for a manufacturing company, you may be making drone parts, and you don’t really know which side of the war you’re making them for, because they can buy individual parts through different reputable-looking companies.

You could also be making surgical parts that help save lives.

Overall though, I think I’d rather be making nice practical furniture that hopefully people would never throw away. While I support people that want to protect, war is horrible.

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Post by grishka »

sofixa wrote: post #61
grishka wrote: post #48

That's a very odd website. Blocked by the Russian government so you get a TLS error, once you get past that, you get the Cloudflare "you are blocked" page, and then you use a VPN and... get the option to read this article in Russian.

Doesn't sound like it's the fault of the website, but of your government and maybe CloudFlare (although they could be blocking you because of the TLS error's underlying reason, not because you're in Russia).

No, that page is always a sign that the person who configured Cloudflare for their website has chosen to deliberately block Russian IPs.

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Post by sofixa »

v5v3 wrote: post #51
vardump wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China has been a big winner, it can now get cheap energy and it gets to set Russia whatever conditions it pleases. Russia is now utterly dependent on China for many imports. Russia itself has been the biggest loser. Massive budget deficits, massive inflation. 1M of its smartest people have moved abroad. 1M Russian casualties in the war. Demographics and economy are disastrous. That and Russia is now a pariah state. N…

Russians and foreigners travelling to Russia regularly blog live. Everyone there is doing fine. The world order is changing to a level you won't believe - Russia, Venezuela were reported by WSJ or similar to even be running journalist schools in Africa to break the media control there by western media brands.

> Everyone there is doing fine.

As long as they don't say anything critical against the regime. Or have the misfortune of flying in/around Russia while morons are at the trigger of surface to air missiles (cf. MH17 and Azerbaijan Airlines flight 8243). Or have the misfortune of getting conscripted to die in the meat grinder.

> The world order is changing to a level you won't believe - Russia, Venezuela were reported by WSJ or similar to even be running journalist schools in Africa to break the media control there by western media brands.

Yes, Russia, the known beacon of journalistic freedom. How many journalists have been murdered by the regime?

The fact that those Wikipedia sections / articles exist is very telling:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novaya_Gazeta#Deaths_and_attac...

> media control there by western media brands.

Anyone blindly lumping together all "western" media is not to be taken seriously. Especially when comparing with fucking Russia of all places. You can find plenty of disagreements in various "western" media (consider The Guardian vs Financial Times vs Le Figaro vs Le Monde vs NY Times vs Washington Post). Nobody dares contradict the official line in Russia, even calling the war a war, or they get tortured and murdered.

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Post by andrelaszlo »

WhyNotHugo wrote: post #70
BrandoElFollito wrote: post #66

I run a small home lab, about 30 services One day I decided to change my main disk and used the opportunity to rebuild everything from scratch and from backups. I was up in about an hour. And then I spent a week fixing this and that, ah yes I changed that too and, crap, I cannot remember why this thingie is set up this way. And some more. This is a one-man lab, with simple services, all on docker. I also work in IT.…

Modern IT practices don’t really contemplate disaster recovery. Even organisations with strict backup procedures seldom test recovery (most never at all). Everything is quickly strapped together due to teams being understaffed. Preparing infrastructure in a way such that it can easily be recreated is easily twice the effort as “just” setting it up the usual way.

Just the other day one of my clients had a production critical server failing and we started restoring it from backups.

Turns out some of the software running on it had some weird licensing checks tied to the hardware so it refused to start on the new server.

It turns out that the company that made this important piece of software doesn't even exist anymore.

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Post by jannes »

paganel wrote: post #49
chii wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> foreign intelligence services gave them a button push so it's not a direct cyber war on Russia meanwhile, russian intelligence services have already directly attacked nato countries, with barely any real deniability.

Which NATO countries would those be?

The German parliament in 2015 (including the chancellor's office)

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hackerangriffe_auf_den_Deutsch...

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