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Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Post by v5v3 »

vardump wrote: post #39
v5v3 wrote: post #34

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Russia and all non-usa allies have been the winner. China etc have seen the strategies used in sanctions. They know how to limit their impact now. It's also brought Russia/China/Iran/North Korea and wider Brics together. It's been a disaster for the west. The measure of success was Russia weakened and ideally Putin weakened or gone. And instead Russia have shrugged off the sanctions, and Putin is much stronger. And t…

China has been a big winner, it can now get cheap energy and it gets to set Russia whatever conditions it pleases. Russia is now utterly dependent on China for many imports. Russia itself has been the biggest loser. Massive budget deficits, massive inflation. 1M of its smartest people have moved abroad. 1M Russian casualties in the war. Demographics and economy are disastrous. That and Russia is now a pariah state. N…

Russians and foreigners travelling to Russia regularly blog live.

Everyone there is doing fine.

The world order is changing to a level you won't believe - Russia, Venezuela were reported by WSJ or similar to even be running journalist schools in Africa to break the media control there by western media brands.

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Post by refset »

paganel wrote: post #49
chii wrote: post #17

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> foreign intelligence services gave them a button push so it's not a direct cyber war on Russia meanwhile, russian intelligence services have already directly attacked nato countries, with barely any real deniability.

Which NATO countries would those be?

The UK at least https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Sergei_and_Yuli...

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Post by v5v3 »

victorbjorklund wrote: post #44
v5v3 wrote: post #34

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Russia and all non-usa allies have been the winner. China etc have seen the strategies used in sanctions. They know how to limit their impact now. It's also brought Russia/China/Iran/North Korea and wider Brics together. It's been a disaster for the west. The measure of success was Russia weakened and ideally Putin weakened or gone. And instead Russia have shrugged off the sanctions, and Putin is much stronger. And t…

Russia has 1 million in casualties and has failed to capture Ukraine. You really think you can claim it was a "win" because now all their experienced soldiers are dead and their strategy has been reduced to "run towards the enemy and hopefully some of you won't be killed and thus we can capture another field"?

Russia has a population of 144m.

1m is not a lot

Edit: as per my comment below, casualties are not deaths. It's a wider definition.

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Post by v5v3 »

b112 wrote: post #45
v5v3 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Russia and all non-usa allies have been the winner. China etc have seen the strategies used in sanctions. They know how to limit their impact now. It's also brought Russia/China/Iran/North Korea and wider Brics together. It's been a disaster for the west. The measure of success was Russia weakened and ideally Putin weakened or gone. And instead Russia have shrugged off the sanctions, and Putin is much stronger. And t…

With more than 1.2M dead or out of service injured, Russia is spent. It's why North Korean troops had to be deployed. All they can effectivley do, until they grow new soldiers, is defense. Sure they can bomb from afar. But even of they take the Ukraine now, they have no force to hold it with.

They were never going to achieve a full takeover of Ukraine though. Large mass size and the people wouldn't accept them.

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Post by praptak »

joules77 wrote: post #30
skrebbel wrote: post #10

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Russia has shown to be plenty resilient across the board. I find it hard to assume anything different here.

It's not called Resilience if you pick on someone weaker. Western support to Ukraine has been a real joke - https://carnegieendowment.org/europe/strategic-europe/2025/0...

You can help instead of waiting for politicians to "do something about it". It's not that hard to find a reputable organization that helps Ukraine and send it some money.

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Post by amelius »

chii wrote: post #17
v5v3 wrote: post #4

>Ukrainian cyber activists, in cooperation with military intelligence... So the foreign intelligence services gave them a button push so it's not a direct cyber war on Russia.

> foreign intelligence services gave them a button push so it's not a direct cyber war on Russia meanwhile, russian intelligence services have already directly attacked nato countries, with barely any real deniability.

I mean Putin will spin everything as "the West did it" anyway, so it really does not matter who pushes that button. I also seriously wonder why we don't have US/NATO air forces over Ukraine for this reason.

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Post by ivan_gammel »

andy_ppp wrote: post #25
skrebbel wrote: post #10

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Russia has shown to be plenty resilient across the board. I find it hard to assume anything different here.

Russia is also behind in modern technology by over a decade. I'm pretty sure if the CIA wanted they could destroy a lot of Russian software infrastructure, but it suits them to be in and out of Russian systems collecting information instead.

What do you mean by modern technology? Surely not the software. Russian engineering culture is strong and their IT strategy is far ahead of what you can find in Europe. I doubt it’s easy to hack into their systems - this breach illustrates it quite well, actually (it’s rare and required focused effort).

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Post by HenryBemis »

HenryBemis wrote: post #15
gghffguhvc wrote: post #6

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Likely. But also could have been some thugs with a wrench in a basement and the sys admin giving up the ssh keys and 2fa etc.

It's Ukraine. Are you aware of the "banks' debt collectors"? They had thugs knocking on your door (and your face) for an overdue loan payment; they would _of course_ use violence/torture to extract information.

Whoah.. -4..

Fun fact, I was internal auditor in a bank (I will not specify the year(s) for safety/privacy). We did the due diligence and ended up buying a Ukrainian bank. Part of the 'collections' was really to smash people's faces. Believe it or not. But sure.. you know best.

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Post by thyristan »

praptak wrote: post #26

Not many companies explicitly prepare for the scenario where every single data storage unit in the company is effectively wiped and you have to redeploy from zero. If you never bootstrap from zero (nor simulate this) then your systems probably have cycles in their deployment dependencies. Your config pusher is deployed from Jenkins/Puppet/Ansible but 2 years ago someone made Jenkins dependent on the config pusher for…

Almost everything will have cycles in IT. People want and security requires some kind of SSO. Now SSO is a dependency for almost everything, including the administration of underlying systems that run SSO. Same for the network. Same for a lot of things.

Bootstrapping from zero will never be easy and will always take some time. I don't think you can prepare your way out of this, short of preparing a fully redundant, fully separate secondary infrastructure.

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Post by worldsayshi »

lnsru wrote: post #2

Working for a company in Germany which is planing production 3 months in advance using printed Excel sheets. The migration of ERP system gone wrong and nobody knows how to fix it. Production management tries to hide this fact and does not talk to the engineering department. This will go for years, consultants will gather their fees for non functional system. Obviously IT infrastructure is not needed for manufacturing…

Excel has the benefit of being understandable and fixable by a lot of regular office workers.

It's a bit surprising that we don't have that feature as a requirement for most IT infrastructure. It would make it so much more usable.

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