Python as a language is nice. Python's version and package management is nothing short of a nightmare.
Python's package management is OK. The main culprit is .so libraries
Think JNI or cgo management.
I'm switching to Python and actually liking it
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Re: I'm switching to Python and actually liking it
#12So, i don't get it, now i still need to have a uv venv ?
The principle of uv as much as I understand is to not tinker with virtual environments. With commands like uv run, uv sync etc you shouldn't have to worry about the virtual env and whether it's activated etc. if you are in a project, it will automatically pick up the right Python version . However if you want to do something not possible through those commands you can still get down to the virtual env. Plus for auto complete in IDEs you generally need to select the venv
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#13> Python has done a good job of hiding its legacy ugliness (such as __init__, __new__, and similar aberrations), swettening its syntax to accomodate developers with good taste. What exactly is the problem with __init__ or __new__? @dataclass is very nice syntactic sugar, but are we arguing here that having access to initializer/allocator/constructor dunder methods is "legacy ugliness"? This is the core of pythonic bu…
Bizarre is that you don’t consider it ugly.
Kotlin: constructor is either part of class definition or keyword constructor.
Ruby: initialize
JS: constructor
Python: ______new______, _______init_______
Literally this meme: https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/three-headed-dragon
Re: I'm switching to Python and actually liking it
#14Said with a note of surprise?
Made me think this is probably normally a Ruby developer indoctrinated against Python. The article doesn’t seem to say what they have come from.
Re: I'm switching to Python and actually liking it
#15I like Python for the language, and for a lot of jobs the threading model limitations do not matter. Its a great language to get stuff done. I find the package management story challenging but I will try uv next time!
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#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
I dont think python is pre-installed on macOS now. (uv has replaced it for me) Edit: Unlike older versions of macOS that came with Python 2.7 pre-installed, newer macOS versions (Catalina and later) no longer include Python pre-installed.
macOS dropped PHP recently too—doing a wonderful job of losing all that developer share that Apple was slowly building up.
Why? Installing python and php can be done in 2 seconds with brew, and you have control over what you install instead of using whatever is in the system, with deprecated versions, etc. It is actually much better now. System tool should be left to the system.
Re: I'm switching to Python and actually liking it
#17Python as a language is nice. Python's version and package management is nothing short of a nightmare.
Going to be honest: With uv it really isn't that bad anymore. Sure, the whole packaging ecosystem is still really bad, but uv abstracts over most of it. Unless you're doing some really esoteric stuff you'll be just fine.
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#18> Python has done a good job of hiding its legacy ugliness (such as __init__, __new__, and similar aberrations), swettening its syntax to accomodate developers with good taste. What exactly is the problem with __init__ or __new__? @dataclass is very nice syntactic sugar, but are we arguing here that having access to initializer/allocator/constructor dunder methods is "legacy ugliness"? This is the core of pythonic bu…
Probably the system of giving special meaning to what are otherwise ordinary identifiers. __ isn't a reserved keyword in Python or anything. But there's a set of conventions you're supposed to follow when naming methods and attributes, and they're visibly artificial. It would be cleaner to make the features that are a special part of the language definition also a special part of the language syntax instead of running them in indistinguishably with other nonsimilar things.
In C++, if you want to define the binary + operator on a class, you give the class a method with the special name `operator+`. In Python, to do the same thing, you give the class a method with the pseudo-special name `__add__`. You don't think the Python way is worse?
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#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
I dont think python is pre-installed on macOS now. (uv has replaced it for me) Edit: Unlike older versions of macOS that came with Python 2.7 pre-installed, newer macOS versions (Catalina and later) no longer include Python pre-installed.
macOS dropped PHP recently too—doing a wonderful job of losing all that developer share that Apple was slowly building up.
if you install commandline tools there's
/Library/Developer/CommandLineTools/Library/Frameworks/Python3.framework/
Re: I'm switching to Python and actually liking it
#20"the second best language for any job"
There are many jobs where the .Net/Java/Go triad would be in the top 3. I lump them together as typed languages that are mainstream, performant, have a GC and a featured library.