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Reflections on OpenAI

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Re: Reflections on OpenAI

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That part made me do a double take. I hope his child never learns they were being put second.

Many people are bad parents. Many are bad at their jobs. Many at bad at both. At least this guy is good at his job, and can provide very well for his family.

It'll be of little comfort to the kid.

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Engineers thinking they're building god is such a good marketing strategy. I can't overstate it. It's even difficult to be rational about it. I don't actually believe it's true, I think it's pure hype and LLMs won't even approximate AGI. But this idea is sort of half-immune to criticism or skepticism: you can always respond with "but what if it's true?". The stakes are so high that the potentially infinite payoff sno…

Similar to Pascal's wager, which pretty much amounts to "yeah, God is probably not real, _but what if it is_? The utility of getting into heaven is infinite (and hell is infinitely negative), so any non-zero probability that God is real should make you be religious, just in case." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal%27s_wager#Analysis_with...

I am convinced!

Which god should I believe in, though? There are so many.

And what if I pick the wrong god?

Re: Reflections on OpenAI

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>Thanks to this bottoms-up culture, OpenAI is also very meritocratic. Historically, leaders in the company are promoted primarily based upon their ability to have good ideas and then execute upon them. Many leaders who were incredibly competent weren't very good at things like presenting at all-hands or political maneuvering. That matters less at OpenAI then it might at other companies. The best ideas do tend to win. 2

This sets off my red flags: companies that say they are meritocratic, flat etc., often have invisible structures that favor the majority. Valve Corp is a famous example for that where this leads to many problems, see https://www.pcgamer.com/valves-unusual-corporate-structure-c...

>It sounds like a wonderful place to work, free from hierarchy and bureaucracy. However, according to a new video by People Make Games (a channel dedicated to investigative game journalism created by Chris Bratt and Anni Sayers), Valve employees, both former and current, say it's resulted in a workplace two of them compared to The Lord of The Flies.

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It is fairly rare to see an ex-employee put a positive spin on their work experience. I don't think this makes OpenAI special. It's just a good reminder that the overwhelming majority of "why I left" posts are basically trying to justify why a person wasn't a good fit for an organization by blaming it squarely on the organization. Look at it this way: the flip side of "incredibly bottoms-up" from this article is that…

Allow me to propose a different rationalization: "yes I know X might damage some people/society, but it was not me who decided, and I get lots of money to do it, which someone else would do if not me."

I don't think people who work on products that spy on people, create addiction or worse are as naïve as you portrayed them.

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This stuff:

- The company was a little over 1,000 people. One year later, it is over 3,000.

- Changes direction on a dime.

- Very secretive place.

With the added "everything is a rounding error compared to GPU cost" and "this creates a lot of strange-looking code because there are so many ways you can write Python".

Is not something that is going to last.

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> I returned early from my paternity leave to help participate in the Codex launch. Obvious priorities there.

That part made me do a double take. I hope his child never learns they were being put second.

It's just a google search away.

Re: Reflections on OpenAI

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That part made me do a double take. I hope his child never learns they were being put second.

Many people are bad parents. Many are bad at their jobs. Many at bad at both. At least this guy is good at his job, and can provide very well for his family.

If you think being good at your job is providing for your family, you've been raised with some bad parenting examples.

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How did they have any time left to be a parent?

They were showered with assets for being a lucky individual in a capital driven society, time is interchangeable for wealth, as evidenced throughout history. This guy is young. He can experience all that again, if it is that much of a failure, and he really wants to. Sure, there are ethical issues here, but really, they can be offset by restitution, lets be honest.

He cannot experience time with his kid again. In any case he's on a fast track to divorce rn.

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I wonder how much of this data Salesforce can use, a literal goldmine of information

isnt there a clause in the slack contract you cant use the slack api to pull data to train an AI

rules for thee, not for me

Re: Reflections on OpenAI

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> The Codex sprint was probably the hardest I've worked in nearly a decade. Most nights were up until 11 or midnight. Waking up to a newborn at 5:30 every morning. Heading to the office again at 7a. Working most weekends. There's so much compression / time-dilation in the industry: large projects are pushed out and released in weeks; careers are made in months. Worried about how sustainable this is for its people, gi…

My hot take is I don’t think burn out has much to do with raw hours spent working. I feel it has a lot more to do with sense of momentum and autonomy. You can work extremely hard 100 hour weeks six months in a row, in the right team and still feel highly energized at the end of it. But if it feels like wading through a swamp, you will burn out very quickly, even if it’s just 50 hours a week. I also find ownership has…

Exactly this - if not at all about hours spent (at least that’s not a good metric; working less will benefit a burned out person; but the hours were not the root cause). The problem is lack of autonomy, lack of control over things you care about deeply. If those go out the window, the fire burns out quickly. Imho when this happens it’s usually because a company becomes too big, and the people in control lack subject matter expertise, have lost contact with the people that drive the company, and instead are guided by KPIs and the rules they enforced grasping for that feeling of being in control.
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