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Mira Murati’s AI startup Thinking Machines valued at $12B in early-stage funding

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Re: Mira Murati’s AI startup Thinking Machines valued at $12B in early-stage funding

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I think it takes a lot of temerity and hubris to look at a 2B raise and assume it's all hype. A16Z has certainly had some misses, but one assumes there actually is some product they're showing behind closed doors that makes this round much more reasonable than it appears from the outside. If something makes no sense, seems totally crazy, and is being done by a crowd of extremely smart people, you can only assume one…

I do agree for $2bn, but it’s also well known that US and in particular SV VCs will fund ideas and people, I.e. potential, whereas everywhere else funds results.

It’s that culture that creates some spectacular hits, and a vast number of misses. Not necessarily a bad thing, but it’s a different approach and means that the funding doesn’t necessarily suggest the results one might expect.

Re: Mira Murati’s AI startup Thinking Machines valued at $12B in early-stage funding

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Could somebody explain why there is so much negativity towards Thinking Machines in this thread? I realize that they haven't publicly announced a product yet but presumably the VCs have some idea of what Thinking Machines is building, and they have some pretty significant OpenAI talent on board, including Murati herself. Some amount of skepticism is warranted, of course, but a lot of these comments read as closer to…

The math to justify that investment is crazy.

Re: Mira Murati’s AI startup Thinking Machines valued at $12B in early-stage funding

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Could somebody explain why there is so much negativity towards Thinking Machines in this thread? I realize that they haven't publicly announced a product yet but presumably the VCs have some idea of what Thinking Machines is building, and they have some pretty significant OpenAI talent on board, including Murati herself. Some amount of skepticism is warranted, of course, but a lot of these comments read as closer to…

> Could somebody explain why there is so much negativity towards Thinking Machines in this thread? I think it lies at the intersection of a lot of topics where HN comments are hostile: VCs, large fundraising, AI, OpenAI related employees. These are all topics where HN comments are more hostile than pragmatic. Most of the hostility is just a proxy for “VCs bad” banter.

> HN comments are more hostile than pragmatic

In the case of a bubble, hostility is pragmatism.

Of course, nobody knows that it's a bubble, but nobody knows it's not a bubble either.

Re: Mira Murati’s AI startup Thinking Machines valued at $12B in early-stage funding

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Could somebody explain why there is so much negativity towards Thinking Machines in this thread? I realize that they haven't publicly announced a product yet but presumably the VCs have some idea of what Thinking Machines is building, and they have some pretty significant OpenAI talent on board, including Murati herself. Some amount of skepticism is warranted, of course, but a lot of these comments read as closer to…

> Could somebody explain why there is so much negativity towards Thinking Machines > significant OpenAI talent on board, including Murati herself. because ppl on this website don't consider her a 'talent'.

I don't think that's fair. The company was founded around 6 months ago and already has a valuation of 12B even though barely anyone outside of AI has heard of them, and I bet almost nobody even here could name their product. It's not that people think she's untalented, but rather, she'd have to be superhuman to justify that by herself.

Re: Mira Murati’s AI startup Thinking Machines valued at $12B in early-stage funding

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post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one needs another mistral

huh, what happened? I haven't been following Mistral but I recall it was everyone's up and coming darling, no?

It's about to be bought by Apple, so not for long.

Re: Mira Murati’s AI startup Thinking Machines valued at $12B in early-stage funding

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At this point, arms-crossed mugshot of "{ex-Open AI} raises $2B" is a meme. Training one epoch of a model the size of the GPT-4 family is easily an 8 figure job. Considering other ops costs, UI and backend dev, securing Everest sized datasets, demos/talks, wages, bonuses etc, this probably gives them around 100 trial and errors, or in other words "Look at me mum, I won 100 chips for the casino!"

And imagine being the ops guy there, about to run a new training batch, but you specified the wrong input path. Puff, the money is gone. Absolutely wild stuff.

Re: Mira Murati’s AI startup Thinking Machines valued at $12B in early-stage funding

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post #53

I think it takes a lot of temerity and hubris to look at a 2B raise and assume it's all hype. A16Z has certainly had some misses, but one assumes there actually is some product they're showing behind closed doors that makes this round much more reasonable than it appears from the outside. If something makes no sense, seems totally crazy, and is being done by a crowd of extremely smart people, you can only assume one…

> they are actually crazy and frittering away 2B on hype

This assumes that being careless with billions can only ever be crazy.

If you're already set for life, why not gamble (including at completely irrational levels) for even more insane amounts of money when the whole thing is just a crazy house of mirrors. Yes, there's value at the heart, but there's also crazy amounts of money being funneled in, lots of opportunity for chaos, lots of chances for legal rug pulls. All of it inflated even further by a fervor of carelessness for any kind of consequences - things like the stock market are completely removed from any kind of fundamentals.

In a fun house of mirrors, that 2 billion could be 2 cents, or it could be 2 trillion. Buy the ticket and have fun!

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