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Reflections on OpenAI

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Re: Reflections on OpenAI

#141

He joins a proven unicorn at its inflection point and then leaves mere days after hitting his vesting cliff. All of this "learning" and "experience" talk is sopping wet with cynicism.

I did not pick up much cynicism in this post. What about it seemed cynical to you?

Given that he leaves OpenAI almost immediately after hitting his 25% vesting cliff, it seems like his employment at OpenAI and this blog post (which makes him and OpenAI look good while making the reader feel good) were done cynically. I.e. primarily in his self-interest. What makes it even worse is his stated reason for leaving:

> It's hard to go from being a founder of your own thing to an employee at a 3,000-person organization. Right now I'm craving a fresh start.

This is just wholly irrational for someone whose credentials indicate someone who is capable of applying critical thinking towards accomplishing their goals. People who operate at that level don't often act on impulse or suddenly realize they want to do something different. It seems much more likely he intentionally planned to give himself a year of vacation at OpenAI, which allows him to hedge a bit while taking a breather before jumping back into being a founder.

Is this essentially speculation? Yes. Is it cynical to assume he's acting cynically? Yes. Speculation on his true motives is necessary because otherwise we'll never get confirmation, short of him openly admitting to it (which is still fraught). We have to look at behaviors and actions and assess likelihoods from there.

Re: Reflections on OpenAI

#142

I'm 50, worked at few cool places and lots of boring ones. to paraphrase, Tolstoy tends to be right -all happy families are similar and unhappy families are unhappy in unique ways OpenAI is currently selected for the brightest and young excited minds, (and a lot of money).. bright, young (as in full of energy) and excited people will work well anywhere- esp if given a fair amount of autonomy. Young people talking abo…

I said this elsewhere on the thread and so apologize for repeating, but: I know mid-career people working at this firm who have been through these conditions, and they were energized by the experience. They're shipping huge stuff that tens of millions of people will use almost immediately. The cadence we're talking about isn't sustainable --- has never been sustained anywhere --- but if insane sprints like this (1) p…

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Re: Reflections on OpenAI

#143
post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would never post any criticism of an employer in public. It can only harm my own career (just as being positive can only help it). Given how vengeful Altman can reportedly be, this goes double for OpenAI. This guy even says they scour social media! Whether subconsciously or not, one purpose of this post is probably to help this guy’s own personal network along; to try and put his weirdly short 14-month stint in the…

Calvin cofounded Segment that had a $3.2B acquisition. He's not your typical employee.

He is still manipulatable and driven by incentive like anyone else.

Re: Reflections on OpenAI

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post #7

This was good, but the one thing I most wanted to know about what it's like building new products inside of OpenAI is how and how much LLMs are involved in their building process.

He describes 78,000 public pull requests per engineer over 53 days. LMAO. So it's likely 99.99% LLM written.

Lots of good info in the post, surprised he was able to share so much publicly. I would have kept most of the business process info secret.

Edit: NVM. That 78k pull requests is for all users of Codex, not all engineers of Codex.

Re: Reflections on OpenAI

#145
post #81

Thanks for sharing. One thing I was interested to read but didn't find in your post is: does everyone believe in the vision that the leadership has shared publicly, e.g. [1]? Is there some skepticism that the current path leads to AGI, or has everyone drunk the Kool-Aid? If there is some dissent, how is it handled internally? [1]: https://blog.samaltman.com/the-gentle-singularity

Not the author, but I work at OpenAI. There are wide variety of viewpoints and it's fine for employees to disagree on timelines and impact. I myself published a 100-page paper on why I think transformative AGI by 2043 is quite unlikely ( https://arxiv.org/abs/2306.02519 ). From informal discussion, I think the vast majority of employees don't think that we're mere years from a post-scarcity utopia where we can drink…

> depends on your definition of AGI

What definition of AGI is used at OpenAI?

My definition: AGI will be here when you can put it in a robot body in the real word and interact with it like you would a person. Ask it to drive your car or fold your laundry or make a mai tai and if it doesn’t know how to do that, you show it, and then it can.

Re: Reflections on OpenAI

#146
>It's hard to imagine building anything as impactful as AGI

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>OpenAI is also a more serious place than you might expect, in part because the stakes feel really high. On the one hand, there's the goal of building AGI–which means there is a lot to get right.

I'm kind of surprised people are still drinking this AGI Koolaid

Re: Reflections on OpenAI

#147

What a great post. Some points that stood out to me: - Progress is iterative and driven by a seemingly bottom up, meritocratic approach. Not a top down master plan. Essentially, good ideas can come from anywhere and leaders are promoted based on execution and quality of ideas, not political skill. - People seem empowered to build things without asking permission there, which seems like it leads to multiple parallel p…

> I liked the take of the path to AGI being framed as a three horse race between OpenAI (consumer product DNA), Anthropic (business/enterprise DNA), and Google (infrastructure/data DNA)

Wouldn't want to forget Meta which also has consumer product DNA. They literally championed the act of making the consumer the product.

Re: Reflections on OpenAI

#149

> There's a corollary here–most research gets done by nerd-sniping a researcher into a particular problem. If something is considered boring or 'solved', it probably won't get worked on. This is a very interesting nugget, and if accurate this could become their Achilles heel.

It's not "their" Achilles heel. It's the Achilles heel of the way humans work.

Most top-of-their-field researchers are on top of their field because they really love it, and are willing to sink insane amount of hours into doing things they love.

Re: Reflections on OpenAI

#150
post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It is fairly rare to see an ex-employee put a positive spin on their work experience Much more common for OpenAI, because you lose all your vested equity if you talk negatively about OpenAI after leaving.

OpenAI never enforced this, removed it, and admitted it was a big mistake. I work at OpenAI and I'm disappointed it happened but am glad they fixed it. It's no longer hanging over anyone's head, so it's probably inaccurate to suggest that Calvin's post is positive because he's trying to protect his equity from being taken. (though of course you could argue that everyone is biased to be positive about companies they o…

> It's no longer hanging over anyone's head,

The tender offer limitations still are, last I heard.

Sure, maybe OA can no longer cancel your vested equity for $0... but how valuable is (non-dividend-paying) equity you can't sell? (How do you even borrow against it, say?)

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