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Harvard investigates 125 students for cheating on final exam

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Re: Harvard investigates 125 students for cheating on final exam

#11
I hate to say it, but this isn't that surprising. I recently came from one of these top universities and there's a problematic combination of factors at play:

1. Students are under a ton of stress, have very little time to do work and have very high standards for themselves. 2. Guidelines are not clear defined or communicated as to what is and isn't cheating. There's a ton of grey area. 3. It is incredibly easy to cheat and get away with it.

I doubt there is a single person that wasn't guilty of it in one shape or form. For most, it was just things like working with other people on problem sets (which for some courses is considered cheating), not "serious cheating". But still, when "cheating" is this rampant, the university needs to reconsider its policy.

Personally, I liked a grad CS professor I had. On the first day, he spend 20 minutes talking about this. He very clearly defined what was and wasn't cheating, when we were and weren't able to collaborate, and the consequences (guaranteed F in the course, for even minor transgressions, and possible expulsion from the university). It was a very strict policy. He even told us that the answers for all of our labs and homeworks were available online if we looked, and even looking up the website was tantamount to cheating. If anything seemed like a grey area, we were required to get written permission from a TA or him to do. Draconian? Perhaps a bit. But I liked that it was very black and white, and frankly I don't know a single person that even considered cheating in the course.

Re: Harvard investigates 125 students for cheating on final exam

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It's incredible how high the punishments for cheating are. 1 year suspension for collaborating on a take home test?

Clearly, the punishments aren't high enough if half of a course weighs their options and decides to cheat anyway. And compared to most universities a 1 year suspension for cheating on an exam seems very lenient.

Re: Harvard investigates 125 students for cheating on final exam

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Very unfortunate. Obviously cheating is a very serious issue, but in this case I feel like something is systematically wrong with your class if half of your students are cheating. Putting people in the position where cheating is such an alluring option is bad user experience. Evolve or die!

Please, let's keep the responsibility for this where it belongs- on those who actually cheated.

Why can't it both be true that the students cheated and deserve to be punished and that there was something fundamentally wrong with the course that drove half the students to cheat?

If I had to guess it was a basic requirement students had to take whether interested or not and cheating seemed like the easiest way to pass while devoting more time to other pursuits perceived to be more intellectually stimulating. Pure conjecture though.

Re: Harvard investigates 125 students for cheating on final exam

#14
We've known for a while just how widespread this is. Surveys have shown 2/3 of undergrads cheat at some point in college. Students just don't feel they're doing something immoral when they cheat.

[1] http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1286242...

Re: Harvard investigates 125 students for cheating on final exam

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It's incredible how high the punishments for cheating are. 1 year suspension for collaborating on a take home test?

You can cheat on a final at Harvard and not be expelled?

The article mentions the blurred line between collaborating and cheating. Seems like this is the former since it requires analysis rather than just comparing matching answers.

Re: Harvard investigates 125 students for cheating on final exam

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It's incredible how high the punishments for cheating are. 1 year suspension for collaborating on a take home test?

I know a guy who was suspended for a year for lifting a few sentences from a previous paper he had written, and using them in a different paper for a different course, without attributing himself.
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