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Re: GM, LG to upgrade Tennessee plant to make low-cost EV batteries

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Post by kjkjadksj »

WorldPeas wrote: post #10

It is sad that gm essentially sold their entire "skateboard" platform they abandoned to SAIC, who now functionally own Cadillac/Buick. For all those who claim this was some kind of deception, it wasn't. Years of myopia, from the Motorola corvette to the EV-1 to the abandoned skateboard to the squandered volt and neglected bolt, GM is like Polaroid. They stopped being a "car" company and became an "engine" company, li…

The modern corvette absolves a lot of sins imo. It was a big decision making it mid engined.

Re: GM, LG to upgrade Tennessee plant to make low-cost EV batteries

#12

Post by lucideng »

kjkjadksj wrote: post #11
WorldPeas wrote: post #10

It is sad that gm essentially sold their entire "skateboard" platform they abandoned to SAIC, who now functionally own Cadillac/Buick. For all those who claim this was some kind of deception, it wasn't. Years of myopia, from the Motorola corvette to the EV-1 to the abandoned skateboard to the squandered volt and neglected bolt, GM is like Polaroid. They stopped being a "car" company and became an "engine" company, li…

The modern corvette absolves a lot of sins imo. It was a big decision making it mid engined.

I want to agree with you that the "corvette absolves a lot of sins". But GM is still operating like they are "too big to fail", I hope we don't bail them out again. They make some amazing products and have a long history of advancing manufacturing and technology in their sector. Even with their engineering prowess, almost in spite of it, they continue to make some of the most mediocre vehicles that have ever existed. I swear the only people that buy their cars are former employees and relatives of said employees.

Re: GM, LG to upgrade Tennessee plant to make low-cost EV batteries

#13

Post by MisterTea »

lucideng wrote: post #12
kjkjadksj wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The modern corvette absolves a lot of sins imo. It was a big decision making it mid engined.

I want to agree with you that the "corvette absolves a lot of sins". But GM is still operating like they are "too big to fail", I hope we don't bail them out again. They make some amazing products and have a long history of advancing manufacturing and technology in their sector. Even with their engineering prowess, almost in spite of it, they continue to make some of the most mediocre vehicles that have ever existed.…

> I swear the only people that buy their cars are former employees and relatives of said employees.

Coworker loves loves loves the corvette even though its one of the worst vehicles electrics wise. Two people he convinced to buy vettes traded them back in within a year of purchase for electrical issues.

Brand loyalty is a big part of the American mindset and I think GM rested on those laurels to the point where even after the bailout they still have the same mindset.

Re: GM, LG to upgrade Tennessee plant to make low-cost EV batteries

#14

Post by tw04 »

MisterTea wrote: post #13
lucideng wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I want to agree with you that the "corvette absolves a lot of sins". But GM is still operating like they are "too big to fail", I hope we don't bail them out again. They make some amazing products and have a long history of advancing manufacturing and technology in their sector. Even with their engineering prowess, almost in spite of it, they continue to make some of the most mediocre vehicles that have ever existed.…

> I swear the only people that buy their cars are former employees and relatives of said employees. Coworker loves loves loves the corvette even though its one of the worst vehicles electrics wise. Two people he convinced to buy vettes traded them back in within a year of purchase for electrical issues. Brand loyalty is a big part of the American mindset and I think GM rested on those laurels to the point where even…

>Two people he convinced to buy vettes traded them back in within a year of purchase for electrical issues.

Why on earth would you take a bath on a trade-in instead of using the lemon law if there were unfixable electrical issues?

Also - this sounds pretty anecdotal to be honest, long-time corvette owner who follows the forums and I've not seen any widespread complaints of electrical issues with the c8 besides a battery drain issue caused by OTA updates that was resolved.

https://www.tsbsearch.com/Chevrolet/N242435630

Re: GM, LG to upgrade Tennessee plant to make low-cost EV batteries

#15

Post by happycube »

WorldPeas wrote: post #10

It is sad that gm essentially sold their entire "skateboard" platform they abandoned to SAIC, who now functionally own Cadillac/Buick. For all those who claim this was some kind of deception, it wasn't. Years of myopia, from the Motorola corvette to the EV-1 to the abandoned skateboard to the squandered volt and neglected bolt, GM is like Polaroid. They stopped being a "car" company and became an "engine" company, li…

They (probably) also had a chance to buy out A123 instead of letting it go to a Chinese company in bankruptcy, then they would have had control over LFP in general (word is CATL used a lot of ex-A123 industrial secres)

Re: GM, LG to upgrade Tennessee plant to make low-cost EV batteries

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Post by WorldMaker »

kjkjadksj wrote: post #11
WorldPeas wrote: post #10

It is sad that gm essentially sold their entire "skateboard" platform they abandoned to SAIC, who now functionally own Cadillac/Buick. For all those who claim this was some kind of deception, it wasn't. Years of myopia, from the Motorola corvette to the EV-1 to the abandoned skateboard to the squandered volt and neglected bolt, GM is like Polaroid. They stopped being a "car" company and became an "engine" company, li…

The modern corvette absolves a lot of sins imo. It was a big decision making it mid engined.

Mid-engined is most useful as a transition step to a modern skateboard design EV. Gets the center of gravity low and closer to the actual center point of the car, which a skateboard design then improves.

Corvette can't admit to aspirations of a Pure EV this decade (thanks, politics), but in my opinion, that's the only way to absolve a lot of the GM executive sins on being wishy washy about EV futures.

Re: GM, LG to upgrade Tennessee plant to make low-cost EV batteries

#17

Post by MisterTea »

tw04 wrote: post #14
MisterTea wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I swear the only people that buy their cars are former employees and relatives of said employees. Coworker loves loves loves the corvette even though its one of the worst vehicles electrics wise. Two people he convinced to buy vettes traded them back in within a year of purchase for electrical issues. Brand loyalty is a big part of the American mindset and I think GM rested on those laurels to the point where even…

>Two people he convinced to buy vettes traded them back in within a year of purchase for electrical issues. Why on earth would you take a bath on a trade-in instead of using the lemon law if there were unfixable electrical issues? Also - this sounds pretty anecdotal to be honest, long-time corvette owner who follows the forums and I've not seen any widespread complaints of electrical issues with the c8 besides a batt…

C7's, and this was just before COVID. They were bought preowned from dealers. One had the entire electrical system shit itself after driving through a puddle and the other kept killing the battery at random.

Re: GM, LG to upgrade Tennessee plant to make low-cost EV batteries

#18

Post by WorldPeas »

lucideng wrote: post #12
kjkjadksj wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The modern corvette absolves a lot of sins imo. It was a big decision making it mid engined.

I want to agree with you that the "corvette absolves a lot of sins". But GM is still operating like they are "too big to fail", I hope we don't bail them out again. They make some amazing products and have a long history of advancing manufacturing and technology in their sector. Even with their engineering prowess, almost in spite of it, they continue to make some of the most mediocre vehicles that have ever existed.…

>I swear the only people that buy their cars are former employees and relatives of said employees.

I regrettably had to use a rental GMC of theirs, it seems car rental companies have quite a stock of them, to say nothing of their quality, felt like driving a wheeled takeout container.

Re: GM, LG to upgrade Tennessee plant to make low-cost EV batteries

#19

Post by WorldPeas »

WorldMaker wrote: post #16
kjkjadksj wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The modern corvette absolves a lot of sins imo. It was a big decision making it mid engined.

Mid-engined is most useful as a transition step to a modern skateboard design EV. Gets the center of gravity low and closer to the actual center point of the car, which a skateboard design then improves. Corvette can't admit to aspirations of a Pure EV this decade (thanks, politics), but in my opinion, that's the only way to absolve a lot of the GM executive sins on being wishy washy about EV futures.

I think the path forward for GM, and most other companies that still make engines is plug-in/gas hybrids. The electric transmission (should be?) more desirable to car enthusiasts, and the engine can still be a moat, though I'd say it quickly starts to feel redundant(to me).

Re: GM, LG to upgrade Tennessee plant to make low-cost EV batteries

#20

Post by tw04 »

MisterTea wrote: post #17
tw04 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Two people he convinced to buy vettes traded them back in within a year of purchase for electrical issues. Why on earth would you take a bath on a trade-in instead of using the lemon law if there were unfixable electrical issues? Also - this sounds pretty anecdotal to be honest, long-time corvette owner who follows the forums and I've not seen any widespread complaints of electrical issues with the c8 besides a batt…

C7's, and this was just before COVID. They were bought preowned from dealers. One had the entire electrical system shit itself after driving through a puddle and the other kept killing the battery at random.

Given you responded to a quote about the C8 platform redeeming GM - it'd probably pertinent to specify you're talking about literally a completely different car other than the name. The C8 was a ground up redesign.

That being said, the C7 also had no known electrical issues. A certified pre-owned would still be covered under lemon law. "driving through a puddle" sounds like more than a bit of an understatment if it took out the entire electrical system. I have driven my car through many, many rainstorms and had exactly 0 issues. I'm also not clear how he traded in a car with a non-functioning electrical system, no dealer would touch that with a 30 foot pole.

>the other kept killing the battery at random.

That could literally be anything, and again wasn't a widespread issue with the C7 platform or there would've been a recall, just like with the C8.

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