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Re: Kiro: A new agentic IDE

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Post by NitpickLawyer »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #30
MuffinFlavored wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a question. I do not like the concept of "agent mode" for AI. I'm a control freak and I want to control every line that gets committed because I am responsible for it and need to understand/visualize/memorize every part of codebases I work on. Is Claude Code good for the "ask" flow? No, right? The old flow before agent mode got added. Select some code, ask questions about it or give an instruction on editing i…

I like aider's solution of encapsulating each edit in a git commit; I hope that gets widely adopted.

Unfortunately aider is showing its age. It is great for what it does, but better LLMs + "agentic" have shown that you can get more in the swe domain.

There was a paper recently where they had an LLM evolve tool harnesses and got ~20% more than w/ aider on the benchmark they used, so it's pretty clear that the models + tools (+better harness) are better than just aider.

Re: Kiro: A new agentic IDE

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Post by ffsm8 »

postalcoder wrote: post #41
NathanKP wrote: post #5

Hello folks! I've been working on Kiro for nearly a year now. Happy to chat about some of the things that make it unique in the IDE space. We've added a few powerful things that I think make it a bit different from other similar AI editors. In specific, I'm really proud of "spec driven development", which is based on the internal processes that software development teams at Amazon use to build very large technical pr…

I don't know if this is feedback for Kiro per se or more feedback for this category of applications as a whole, but I've personally noticed that the biggest barrier holding me back from giving an earnest look at new coding agents are the custom rules I've set up w/ my existing agents. I have extensively used Copilot, Continue, Cursor, Cline, Aider, Roo Code, and Claude Code. I've just finished porting my rules over t…

Or a proper standard like MCP was for agentic tool use, this time for context setup...

Re: Kiro: A new agentic IDE

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Post by empath75 »

techpineapple wrote: post #3

Why does it feel like all tech companies are the same these days? It wasn’t always like this right?

All the tech companies have a lot of software developers working there and they always have a ton of projects around software development and deployment that they've released. It's been new that they've been _monetizing them_, but that pretty much has to be done for AI tooling because of inferencing costs....

Re: Kiro: A new agentic IDE

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Post by TimMeade »

MuffinFlavored wrote: post #22
TimMeade wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every 6 months? It's turning into every two weeks. Sticking with claude code. Its working beautifully for us.

I have a question. I do not like the concept of "agent mode" for AI. I'm a control freak and I want to control every line that gets committed because I am responsible for it and need to understand/visualize/memorize every part of codebases I work on. Is Claude Code good for the "ask" flow? No, right? The old flow before agent mode got added. Select some code, ask questions about it or give an instruction on editing i…

We tend to allow this. But you can review the diff before you allow it. It seems easier to say "roll that back" or hit esc if you see it doing things you dont like and then correcting it. I have to say the velocity is insane of coding this way. We also commit a LOT and explicitly dont allow claude to push code ever. That way we can roll back if needed, but honestly it's pretty rare to need to. The MAX plan is a must to work this way though.

Re: Kiro: A new agentic IDE

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Post by NathanKP »

postalcoder wrote: post #41
NathanKP wrote: post #5

Hello folks! I've been working on Kiro for nearly a year now. Happy to chat about some of the things that make it unique in the IDE space. We've added a few powerful things that I think make it a bit different from other similar AI editors. In specific, I'm really proud of "spec driven development", which is based on the internal processes that software development teams at Amazon use to build very large technical pr…

I don't know if this is feedback for Kiro per se or more feedback for this category of applications as a whole, but I've personally noticed that the biggest barrier holding me back from giving an earnest look at new coding agents are the custom rules I've set up w/ my existing agents. I have extensively used Copilot, Continue, Cursor, Cline, Aider, Roo Code, and Claude Code. I've just finished porting my rules over t…

You will be happy to find out that Kiro is quite good at this! One of my favorite features is "Steering Rules". Kiro can help you write steering rules for your projects, and the steering rules that it auto generates are actually super great for large projects. You can see some examples of auto generated steering files here in one of my open source projects: https://github.com/kirodotdev/spirit-of-kiro/tree/main/.kiro...

Also these steering rules are just markdown files, so you can just drop your other rules files from other tools into the `.kiro/steering` directory, and they work as is.

Re: Kiro: A new agentic IDE

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Post by gsibble »

Am I the only one who finds AI not very helpful?

Just this morning, Cursor was giving me a ton of incorrect tab completions. When I use prompts, it tends to break more than it fixes. It's still a lot faster to write by hand. Lots of libraries that take *arguments in Python also cannot be groked by AI.

Re: Kiro: A new agentic IDE

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Post by delfinom »

ArcaneMoose wrote: post #34

This is exactly how I've been building software with AI lately. Getting AI to create a detailed plan with phases, then implement and use a separate AI to review the code. It works quite well! Curious to see how well it works when implemented directly in the IDE

At what point does the manager fire you and just let the AIs have at it ;)

Re: Kiro: A new agentic IDE

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Post by angelmm »

suralind wrote: post #46
angelmm wrote: post #28

Many companies are considering IDEs the way to reach developers. Atom started the trend of next generation IDEs and VSCode consolidated most of the market. With the AI raising, people are looking to get usage, gathering data, and positioning models. An IDE provides you all of that. AI seems to be a way to engage happy users to try new things. Kiro joins a growing list of projects: - Kiro (AWS) - VSCode + Copilot (Mic…

I love Zed as an editor/IDE without ANY AI/LLM features. I think the AI support in Zed is actually pretty decent and I'm still using it out of habit (actively trying to use more TUI for AI). But at the same time, it's my biggest worry that they will continue on the AI and pollute the project with too much junk. I gotta trust the smart minds behind it will find a way to balance this trend.

Totally. I think Zed has its own value proposition. That's why I never put them close to other editors like Cursor at the beginning.

Lately, I started putting it together due to all the AI excitement. People try it because of the AI capabilities to find an IDE that works for them.

I hope Zed continues providing new amazing features in all the areas.

Re: Kiro: A new agentic IDE

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Post by shermantanktop »

dangus wrote: post #38

With my experience with Amazon Q in the AWS console (100% useless, worse than a Google search), I can only assume that this Kiro product will suck and not be a market leader. As a customer I have no incentive to try it. I think that reputation is 100% Amazon’s fault. When all you do is ship half-baked rushed products your customers will assume your next big thing sucks because that’s the reputation you built for your…

Given the rapidly-changing state of AI, "half-baked" is a moving target. The Q console support was never great, but it's materially worse than it was a year ago, relative to what could be built today.

Re: Kiro: A new agentic IDE

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Post by Velorivox »

I really like that the testimonials are linked directly to the Github accounts of the contributors. I've seen a lot of websites where it's questionable at best whether the people reviewing the product even exist.

It's also interesting that the pricing is in terms of "interactions" rather than tokens. I don't believe I've seen that before.

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