A technical look at Iran's internet shutdowns • Hacker News Board

Re: A technical look at Iran's internet shutdowns

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Post by dmbche » Mon, Jul 14, 2025, 1:21 PM UTC

LadyCailin wrote: post #80

dvdkon wrote: post #71

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> It's just a question of the severity of the punishment for violating regulations. A couple of small fines for an unlicensed networking and collaborating - and there will be no one left. I don't think you give people enough credit. There have been dissidents in totalitarian regimes the world over, even when the punishment was death or being sent to a labour camp. You might think that unlicenced networking isn't impo…

I dunno, the reaction to the anti-porn laws in Texas haven’t gotten too much pushback, as far as I’m aware. Sure, keeping kids off porn is good, but do you trust the Christian nationalist government of Texas to only define porn as the thing that needs logged identification?

I think it's trivial for people to circumvent this ID, no? So no need to pushback. Kind of like everyone going 120 on the highway

Re: A technical look at Iran's internet shutdowns

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Post by AStonesThrow » Mon, Jul 14, 2025, 1:26 PM UTC

energy123 wrote: post #99

oaiey wrote: post #97

This "National Information Network" seems like a blueprint all countries should apply. While I also do not want to have a censored internet and I am a fan of international collaboration, Cyber Warfare is unfortunately common nowadays and turning a blind eye on protecting the fundamental services it is quite stupid.

The status quo of allowing multiple foreign intelligence agencies to run unlimited information warfare needs disruption. Read about the Internet Research Agency. More informational borders between nations will give us the appetite for lower physical borders between nations.

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Re: A technical look at Iran's internet shutdowns

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Post by icedchai » Mon, Jul 14, 2025, 1:30 PM UTC

kortilla wrote: post #40

mschuster91 wrote: post #16

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> hams have their own packet radio stuff We got basically three different things. First we got APRS, mostly used for position reports (go on aprs.fi for a map). That is pretty nice but unusable for anything more than a SMS worth of things, and you need repeaters and not just internet gateway collectors to actually have something that's resilient. Next thing is AX25, the technical foundation behind APRS. Yes you can u…

> but it's about modem speeds so virtually useless outside of toying around. I don’t understand this sentiment. For exchanging information, modem speeds were great. Wikipedia, forums like this one, instant messengers, etc all worked fine

If we go back to 1990's tech (example: BBSes, IRC, gopher, HTTP sites with little to no javascript), possibly fine. Today I see static web sites built with heavyweight JS frameworks that load multiple megabytes. You'll be waiting for minutes.

Re: A technical look at Iran's internet shutdowns

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Post by icedchai » Mon, Jul 14, 2025, 1:33 PM UTC

mschuster91 wrote: post #69

kortilla wrote: post #40

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> but it's about modem speeds so virtually useless outside of toying around. I don’t understand this sentiment. For exchanging information, modem speeds were great. Wikipedia, forums like this one, instant messengers, etc all worked fine

> Wikipedia, forums like this one, instant messengers, etc all worked fine The problem is, websites got wasteful. You're not going to get any modern website - including Wikipedia - to load in anything close to usable waiting times over a modem speed constraints. HN and maybe Old Reddit are an exception but HN is a niche forum and Old Reddit is probably going to get dumped once Reddit manages to port over all features…

Also, keep in mind that APRS is generally 1200 baud (though I did see some mention of 9600 now.) This is way worse than anything most people experienced during the dialup Internet days.

Re: A technical look at Iran's internet shutdowns

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Post by CommenterPerson » Mon, Jul 14, 2025, 2:06 PM UTC

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Re: A technical look at Iran's internet shutdowns

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Post by nemomarx » Mon, Jul 14, 2025, 2:09 PM UTC

CommenterPerson wrote: post #105

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I would take some meddling from Europe around now, honestly.

Re: A technical look at Iran's internet shutdowns

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Post by ksajadi » Mon, Jul 14, 2025, 2:14 PM UTC

CommenterPerson wrote: post #105

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Because it might help us understand how the rest of the world works or how privileged a lot of us are in enjoying internet like we do or give us a better understanding of Iran the next time we see it on the news.

Re: A technical look at Iran's internet shutdowns

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Post by jollyllama » Mon, Jul 14, 2025, 2:15 PM UTC

Sounds like the NIN is just domestic sourcing for the infrastructure that it applies to.

Re: A technical look at Iran's internet shutdowns

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Post by os2warpman » Mon, Jul 14, 2025, 2:29 PM UTC

CommenterPerson wrote: post #105

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>Why should we care how a country manages their internal affairs?

The government of Iran supplies Russia with weapons used in their invasion of Ukraine, funds Houthi rebels who fire weapons indiscriminately at international shipping off the coast of Yemen, supplies terrorist groups in southern Lebanon, and advised the Syrian government during the Syrian Civil War which kicked off the greatest wave of human migration in recent history as people fled the brutality.

By caring about their internal affairs there is a chance their external affairs may be influenced.

Also, they execute rape victims, hang homosexuals in public, and kidnap and torture women who don't want to wear cloth on their head.

Please, I'm begging you from the bottom of my heart, don't "buh whaddabow" me. It's pathetic.

Re: A technical look at Iran's internet shutdowns

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Post by znano » Mon, Jul 14, 2025, 2:35 PM UTC

CommenterPerson wrote: post #105

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I do what i can do, I do care about surveillance by Google, Meta and others, that's why i wrote a book on privacy. This was just an observation i shared.