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Re: Teaching Kids to Love Math

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An interesting article, pointing out that mathematics anxiety on the part of adults sometimes limits engagement with mathematics learning opportunities among children. Mathematician W. W. Sawyer wrote about this quite a while ago: "The proper thing for a parent to say is, 'I did badly at mathematics, but I had a very bad teacher. I wish I had had a good one.'" W. W. Sawyer, Vision in Elementary Mathematics (1964), pa…

I wonder if you have seen the game DragonBox for ipad that teaches kids algebra principles...

Do you have an opinion on it?

Re: Teaching Kids to Love Math

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> Oh, this is so wrong. Did you like Avatar? Then you like math. Avatar is one long, beautiful mathematical expression, from beginning to end. Can you elaborate? To me, the interesting part of mathematics is the process of manipulating expressions, not the expressions themselves. For example, the number pi would be pretty boring if it weren't for the theorems related to it.

> To me, the interesting part of mathematics is the process of manipulating expressions, not the expressions themselves. I think most mathematicians and physicists would disagree. I think such people wouldn't want distinguish between generating equations and studying them and their effects, especially with physical equations that must reflect reality to have any value. For example, I can make elaborate predictions ab…

> Pi, as it turns out, may serve as a source for random sequences of digits. So apart from its geometric meaning, Pi stays interesting.

Right, but the fun part (for me) is finding out how and why pi can be used as a source of random sequences of digits, not the fact itself.

> I think most mathematicians [...] would disagree.

I would be surprised to meet a mathematician who enjoyed learning theorems/proofs more than finding theorems and proving things on their own. That's why I said the interesting part is the process of manipulating expressions rather than the expressions themselves.

Based on your gravity/tides example, I think you would take the same stance (Do you?). I just wasn't clear enough in my previous comment.

Re: Teaching Kids to Love Math

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Most elementary schools have all subjects taught by one teacher. (At least mine did; my K-12 education was entirely in the US public school system.) Kids taking different subjects from different teachers doesn't happen until middle or high school.

So I'd guess that most teachers of young kids probably chose to train as elementary-education generalists, and math was hard and scary for them. There are several mechanisms by which this might rub off on their pupils:

1. If the teacher doesn't have an innate joy and passion for their subject, the lack of enthusiasm may be contagious.

2. The teacher may have no idea why things like the addition algorithm work, and no idea how to explain it to their students.

3. Most of the math classes in elementary school were largely spent reviewing material covered in previous years. Having an expectation that students should know material that's been covered in previous lectures is simple common sense. I'm not against an occasional review class, mind you, but spending an entire quarter or semester on nothing but previously covered material strikes me as a colossal waste of everyone's time.

4. High-stakes standardized testing is a recipe for disaster. The tests don't accurately measure anything but the amount of time and effort teachers spend teaching to the test. I was pretty far out of elementary school by the time No Child Left Behind hit the fan, but I'd imagine even knowledgeable, passionate teachers who want to motivate their students with the joy of learning to use their imagination to manipulate abstract ideas get immense pressure from above to turn their class into nothing but drill, drill, drill.

5. The very name, "No Child Left Behind," implies is that the goal is to have the entire class proceed at the pace of the least capable student. On the face of it, this is deliberately aiming for poor results. For those of us who have never observed the human race in action before, let me explain: People are different; they have different levels of mental strength, motivation, talent, and parental support; they have different areas of interest, different areas of talent, put in different amounts of effort, and think in different ways. It is inevitable, then, that some people will be better at math than others. But we seem to be trying extremely hard to deny this simple and obvious truth, to bring the least capable students to a level of competence that they may never achieve, at great cost to taxpayers and immense frustration for everyone. Meanwhile, the middle- and high-capability tiers of the class are bored, frustrated and alienated by the endless repetition of very dull tasks -- which is most assuredly not what mathematics is about, especially since the invention of cheap, ubiquitous computers.

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> To me, the interesting part of mathematics is the process of manipulating expressions, not the expressions themselves. I think most mathematicians and physicists would disagree. I think such people wouldn't want distinguish between generating equations and studying them and their effects, especially with physical equations that must reflect reality to have any value. For example, I can make elaborate predictions ab…

> Pi, as it turns out, may serve as a source for random sequences of digits. So apart from its geometric meaning, Pi stays interesting. Right, but the fun part (for me) is finding out how and why pi can be used as a source of random sequences of digits, not the fact itself. > I think most mathematicians [...] would disagree. I would be surprised to meet a mathematician who enjoyed learning theorems/proofs more than f…

> I would be surprised to meet a mathematician who enjoyed learning theorems/proofs more than finding theorems and proving things on their own.

One must crawl before one can walk. Reading the work of others is quite enjoyable. And not everyone yearns to reinvent the wheel -- for many problems, understanding the prior work gives one more than enough satisfaction.

> That's why I said the interesting part is the process of manipulating expressions rather than the expressions themselves.

A finished equation can stand alongside the finest art, and garner the same kind of appreciation. People still read Einstein's relativity equations, and Maxwell's electromagnetic equations, with a deepening appreciation of their beauty, quite apart from the degree to which they describe reality.

Also, there is the interesting task of applying equations to real-world problems. I don't need to rewrite the gravitational and tidal equations to discover new things while applying them.

> Based on your gravity/tides example, I think you would take the same stance (Do you?).

Not really. It would be like asking someone whether they prefer reading, or writing. Obviously the full experience of literacy involves both.

Here's a comparison -- a common problem for student writers, usually pointed out by someone with more experience, is that they haven't read enough to be able to write effectively. There's a parallel in mathematics -- those who take the trouble to read enough mathematics, by so doing learn how to express themselves more efficiently.

For me, the two equations I posted earlier, one that describes the gravitational force, and the other the tidal force, the mathematically interesting thing is the relationship between them, not so much the equations themselves -- the fact that a simple derivative operation produces the second equation (in physical terms it's because the tidal force is felt by any two adjacent masses placed arbitrarily close together).

For physical equations, working with them means either imagining their consequences, or modeling them, usually with a computer. In that case, you don't manipulate the equations, you use them to model reality. So having an equation that's known to represent some aspect of reality is just the beginning of a research program that models the consequences of the equation and compares the model to reality.

Here's an example. Observations of Jupiter's moon Io revealed the possibility of a large, static tidal force on its mass. You may be aware that a static force doesn't require any energy expenditure (imagine a book lying on a table). Then someone pointed out that Io has an elliptical orbit, which means Io is constantly moving toward, and away from, Jupiter. This would have the effect of changing the tidal force, and a changing tidal force would perpetually change the moon's shape -- and changing the moon's shape would require energy. This would generate a lot of heat. Shortly thereafter, volcanoes were observed on Io, a moon too small to have the kinds of volcanoes we have here, and the explanation was the elliptical orbit and tidal force.

That's mathematics.

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> Pi, as it turns out, may serve as a source for random sequences of digits. So apart from its geometric meaning, Pi stays interesting. Right, but the fun part (for me) is finding out how and why pi can be used as a source of random sequences of digits, not the fact itself. > I think most mathematicians [...] would disagree. I would be surprised to meet a mathematician who enjoyed learning theorems/proofs more than f…

> I would be surprised to meet a mathematician who enjoyed learning theorems/proofs more than finding theorems and proving things on their own. One must crawl before one can walk. Reading the work of others is quite enjoyable. And not everyone yearns to reinvent the wheel -- for many problems, understanding the prior work gives one more than enough satisfaction. > That's why I said the interesting part is the process…

Thanks for taking the time to explain. While I haven't experienced much joy in reading mathematics so far (beyond a select few books), maybe I'll understand in a few years.

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Worth noting that a way NOT to teach kids to love math is to inundate them with arithmetic. My math education, like many in the US, was an endless barrage of memorizing facts, solving equations, then memorizing some more facts. It was not until college that I began to see the essence of math is creativity. Kids are naturally creative and inquisitive and we should use this to our advantage in early education. We shoul…

We should explore topics like topology and infinity, topics that still blow my adult, math-major mind...

One of my happiest conversations was with my 7 year old inquiring into infinity...days after our conversation I overheard him saying to a classmate, 'Inifinity is not a number, it's a statement saying numbers never end...'

Re: Teaching Kids to Love Math

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An interesting article, pointing out that mathematics anxiety on the part of adults sometimes limits engagement with mathematics learning opportunities among children. Mathematician W. W. Sawyer wrote about this quite a while ago: "The proper thing for a parent to say is, 'I did badly at mathematics, but I had a very bad teacher. I wish I had had a good one.'" W. W. Sawyer, Vision in Elementary Mathematics (1964), pa…

As a father of two (both under 3) I want to (obviously) supplement my childrens official education with home encouragement - but resources and kicking off points like that above are - well I am sure they are around, I just don't know where. I am half considering starting the Concerned Parent (tm) github repo Is there any value in a github repo on recommended books and practises to help polyfilla in the cracks in the…

It's not crazy, but it's inefficient. Go hang out in home schooler forums instead. People homeschool for many different reasons, but I think it's great that it's still allowed in the US. The result of a diversity of people with diverse needs meeting a private market that hasn't yet been eradicated by "progressive" teachers' unions and the politicians they employ, is a cornucopia of private resources available to parents and students who exercise some initiative.

These resources are under constant discussion on homeschooling forums.

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As a father of two (both under 3) I want to (obviously) supplement my childrens official education with home encouragement - but resources and kicking off points like that above are - well I am sure they are around, I just don't know where. I am half considering starting the Concerned Parent (tm) github repo Is there any value in a github repo on recommended books and practises to help polyfilla in the cracks in the…

It's not crazy, but it's inefficient. Go hang out in home schooler forums instead. People homeschool for many different reasons, but I think it's great that it's still allowed in the US. The result of a diversity of people with diverse needs meeting a private market that hasn't yet been eradicated by "progressive" teachers' unions and the politicians they employ, is a cornucopia of private resources available to pare…

Thank you - as a brit I had always assumed it was, well, nutjob territory. Will look into it.

Re: Teaching Kids to Love Math

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It's not crazy, but it's inefficient. Go hang out in home schooler forums instead. People homeschool for many different reasons, but I think it's great that it's still allowed in the US. The result of a diversity of people with diverse needs meeting a private market that hasn't yet been eradicated by "progressive" teachers' unions and the politicians they employ, is a cornucopia of private resources available to pare…

Thank you - as a brit I had always assumed it was, well, nutjob territory. Will look into it.

Yes, the mainstream media and the educational establishments in both the US and UK are dominated by the same leftist statists who, in order to promote their social agenda, need to portray all those who don't surrender themselves to the state programs as obvious nutjobs.

Those who leave the herd do so for all sorts of reasons, religious, academic (my case--like many homeschoolers, I'm an atheist), political, special educational need, lifestyle (e.g., frequent travel), or whatever. That's the nature of independent individuals. That level of diversity means that you can find plenty of people you'll consider nutty, which makes it easy for the media to push the message that those who leave the state herd are mentally defective.

But look at the effectiveness of the state schools and ask yourself, if the state system were shrunk down to the size of the various small homeschooling alternatives, would the state program be one you would pick for your own kids, or would one of the alternatives seem much more sensible? If you suspect the latter, maybe the state system is the real nutjob territory.

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