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Death by a Thousand Slops

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Re: Death by a Thousand Slops

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post #4

I think eventually all OSS projects/repos will suffer with this. My bet is that git hosting providers like GitHub etc. should start providing features to allow us for better signal/noise ratio

Why would GitHub develop features that are adversarial to one of Microsoft’s favorite products?

Learning from Cloudflare: Host malware and DDOSsers AND provide protection against them = $$$

Re: Death by a Thousand Slops

#62

> charging a fee [...] rather hostile way for an Open Source project that aims to be as open and available as possible The most hostile is Apple where you cannot expect any kind of feedback on bug reports. You are really lucky if you get any kind of feedback from Apple. Getting good feedback is the most valuable thing ever. I don't mind having to pay $5/year to be make reports if I know I would get feedback.

This is because Apple software is perfect by definition. Any perceived bug is an example of someone failing to use the software correctly. Bug reports are records of user incompetence, whose only purpose is to be ritually mocked in morale-enhancing genius confirmation sessions.

Re: Death by a Thousand Slops

#63
post #12

Sort of separate but perhaps also relevant to the thousands cuts/slops: Isn't the scope of curl/libcurl a bit too big? It supports almost every file-related networking protocol under the sun and a few more just for fun. ( https://everything.curl.dev/protocols/curl.html ) Meanwhile 99.8% of users (assuming) just use it for HTTP. Here's a few complex protocols I bet many do not know that curl supports: - SMB - IMAP - L…

> Isn't the scope of curl/libcurl a bit too big? No.

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Re: Death by a Thousand Slops

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post #12

Sort of separate but perhaps also relevant to the thousands cuts/slops: Isn't the scope of curl/libcurl a bit too big? It supports almost every file-related networking protocol under the sun and a few more just for fun. ( https://everything.curl.dev/protocols/curl.html ) Meanwhile 99.8% of users (assuming) just use it for HTTP. Here's a few complex protocols I bet many do not know that curl supports: - SMB - IMAP - L…

From this year's curl user survey, whilst HTTP/S is the majority use, more than 10% of users are using FTP and WebSockets and 5% still using telnet!

https://curl.se/docs/survey/2025-1.1/

Re: Death by a Thousand Slops

#65
post #12

Sort of separate but perhaps also relevant to the thousands cuts/slops: Isn't the scope of curl/libcurl a bit too big? It supports almost every file-related networking protocol under the sun and a few more just for fun. ( https://everything.curl.dev/protocols/curl.html ) Meanwhile 99.8% of users (assuming) just use it for HTTP. Here's a few complex protocols I bet many do not know that curl supports: - SMB - IMAP - L…

I’m sure the case could be made before a more focussed project, but I think this is orthogonal to bad (or stupid) actors using AI to overwhelm bug reporting channels.

The issue highlighted in the article is people using AI to invent security problems that don’t exist. That doesn’t go away, no matter much you stripped down or simplify the project.

I’d bet an AI writing tool will happily generate thousands of realistic looking bug reports about a “Hello World” one-liner.

Re: Death by a Thousand Slops

#67

Reading this particular instance of slop was especially galling. It's like the world's slowest ChatGPT dialogue via a bug tracker. https://hackerone.com/reports/2298307

DDoSing humans.

LLMS are the perfect tool to annihilate online communities. I wonder when we see the first deliberate attack. These incidents seem (so far) isolated and just driven by greed.

Re: Death by a Thousand Slops

#68
post #12

Sort of separate but perhaps also relevant to the thousands cuts/slops: Isn't the scope of curl/libcurl a bit too big? It supports almost every file-related networking protocol under the sun and a few more just for fun. ( https://everything.curl.dev/protocols/curl.html ) Meanwhile 99.8% of users (assuming) just use it for HTTP. Here's a few complex protocols I bet many do not know that curl supports: - SMB - IMAP - L…

From this year's curl user survey, whilst HTTP/S is the majority use, more than 10% of users are using FTP and WebSockets and 5% still using telnet! https://curl.se/docs/survey/2025-1.1/

> The survey was announced on the curl-users and curl-library mailing lists (with reminders), numerous times on Daniel’s Mastodon (@bagder@mastodon.social) on LinkedIn and on Daniel’s blog (https://daniel.haxx.se/blog). The survey was also announced on the curl web site at the top of most pages on the site that made it hard to miss for visitors.

It's not hard to imagine how that would miss the 99.x% users who just want to download an HTTP/S resource after reading an instruction on some web page.

Re: Death by a Thousand Slops

#69

Make a private program with monetary rewards and a public program without. Invite only verified researchers.

Right? I thought the value of these vuln programs like hackerone and bugbounty would be you could use the submitters reputation to filter the noise? Don't want to accept low quality submissions from new or low experience reports? Turn the knob up..

Re: Death by a Thousand Slops

#70

For all the discussions about the slopification of the internet, the human toll on open source maintainers isn’t really talked about. It's one thing to get flooded with bad reports; it's another to have to mentally filter AI-generated submissions designed to "sound correct" but offer no real value. Totally agree with the author mentioning the emotional toll it takes to deal with these mind-numbing stupidities.

It's human toll everywhere. AI used for peer review effectively forces researchers to implement suggestions between revisions, AI used by managers suggest bad solutions that engineers are forced to implement, etc. Effectively, the number of person-hours that is spent following whatever AI models suggest is increasing rapidly. Some of it might make sense, but uncomfortably many hours are burned in vain. There is a real cost of lost productivity in the economy by command chains not being ready to filter out slop.
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