How do people do this in China?
Shadowsocks is the common method
A technical look at Iran's internet shutdowns
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Re: A technical look at Iran's internet shutdowns
#42The Starlink gateway out is a good solution, but I sure wouldn't share it with friends/family over the ISP networks if at all possible.
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#43I wish this article went into more details on what the "National Information Network" is. I would guess it's at least a set of nationally managed DNS servers that will always resolve national IPs even if upstream global DNS is cut off. Looking at a bigger picture though, honestly I think we're seeing the end of the raw global Internet for the masses. 20 years ago, it seemed impossible, but here we are. It's simply no…
> Looking at a bigger picture though, honestly I think we're seeing the end of the raw global Internet for the masses. 20 years ago, it seemed impossible, but here we are. This is defeatist. You're probably right 'for the masses' but there will always be those networking and collaborating and bypassing whatever restrictions get put in place. I have online contacts in 'firewalled' regimes that use v2ray/shadowsocks or…
it seems to me that a nation determined to control wired network traffic within its borders cannot be circumvented. if they can control the ISPs and observe packet flows then they can just obstruct any connection they cannot conclusively prove is acceptable.
it seems then that store-and-forward ad hoc p2p (ie extremely high unpredictable latency) is the only option for those who can reach some node with a connection to the outside (maybe laser near the border). or perhaps really clever steganography with outside partners assisting.
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#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Looking at a bigger picture though, honestly I think we're seeing the end of the raw global Internet for the masses. 20 years ago, it seemed impossible, but here we are. This is defeatist. You're probably right 'for the masses' but there will always be those networking and collaborating and bypassing whatever restrictions get put in place. I have online contacts in 'firewalled' regimes that use v2ray/shadowsocks or…
it seems to me that a nation determined to control wired network traffic within its borders cannot be circumvented. if they can control the ISPs and observe packet flows then they can just obstruct any connection they cannot conclusively prove is acceptable. it seems then that store-and-forward ad hoc p2p (ie extremely high unpredictable latency) is the only option for those who can reach some node with a connection…
> it seems to me that a nation determined to control wired network traffic within its borders cannot be circumvented.
Starlink/Kuiper and the geostationary satellites are an alternative. Not perfect... but far better than *nothing*
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#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Looking at a bigger picture though, honestly I think we're seeing the end of the raw global Internet for the masses. 20 years ago, it seemed impossible, but here we are. This is defeatist. You're probably right 'for the masses' but there will always be those networking and collaborating and bypassing whatever restrictions get put in place. I have online contacts in 'firewalled' regimes that use v2ray/shadowsocks or…
Live in China/Iran for a few years and see if you would still post this same comment.
I don't think personal reprisal because you posted something critical is generally the most scalable or realistic concern. It seems far easier to just let citizens know that if they're disruptive, you don't have protections; for everyone else, who knows if others can even see what you post?
The current american administration clearly wants to stamp down on disruption, too. If they can't deport us I think they'd be fine with prison or working us to death. Future administrations won't be so dumb to think this is just related to criticizing Israel, either, but anything.... disruptive.
Re: A technical look at Iran's internet shutdowns
#48I wish this article went into more details on what the "National Information Network" is. I would guess it's at least a set of nationally managed DNS servers that will always resolve national IPs even if upstream global DNS is cut off. Looking at a bigger picture though, honestly I think we're seeing the end of the raw global Internet for the masses. 20 years ago, it seemed impossible, but here we are. It's simply no…
Even 20 years ago the so-called “geeks” were reacting to those news with “We can fix that!”, and indeed were making the tools. They were often primitive, but modern ones are based on those developments and collected knowledge.
Today's crowd is full of lickspittles who are constantly searching for someone or something to kneel before. Money, power, or at least flavour-of-the-month fame. A lot of work was put into spreading those ideals, and not teaching anything “outdated”, “dissenting” or “controversial”.
So you're not just waving the white flag even before anyone intimidates you personally, you're actively working for that cause, willingly or unwillingly.
Something tells me that you were not using 56 bit encryption when posting. In a different world, you would, and lament how pathetic and insecure it is to let someone calling themselves “government” have access to everything, but how understandable it is in presence of communists, terrorists, degenerates who have rejected the democratic values and thus stopped being humans, etc.
Dystopias and the dystopian outlook actually helps any kind of high profile swindler a lot. People treat them as the portrayal of “how the world really works”, and expect it to be normal when someone does it, or just hints at such option to scare the public, while they were intended to portray how stupid people can be if they cease to think. Please choose some higher standards.
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#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
it seems to me that a nation determined to control wired network traffic within its borders cannot be circumvented. if they can control the ISPs and observe packet flows then they can just obstruct any connection they cannot conclusively prove is acceptable. it seems then that store-and-forward ad hoc p2p (ie extremely high unpredictable latency) is the only option for those who can reach some node with a connection…
> it seems to me that a nation determined to control wired network traffic within its borders cannot be circumvented. Starlink/Kuiper and the geostationary satellites are an alternative. Not perfect... but far better than *nothing*
i believe the base stations for those can be triangulated leading to knocks on the for for unsanctioned traffic.
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#50> IPv4 addresses are limited and constantly reallocated. Most are rented and passed between hosting providers, resold between datacenters, or migrated across regions. The Iranian filtering system uses GeoIP databases and BGP information to decide which IP ranges to trust and which to block. But those records lag behind the changes. This is surprising to me. Surely iranian ISPs would have directly allocated IP space?…
Are they sanctioned away from RIPE, like Russia is? Russia isn't allowed to be allocated any IP addresses they don't already have. They're Russia, so they already have a bunch, but if they didn't, they'd have to keep borrowing them on grey markets, possibly different ones each time. Iran might be that way. (Fun fact about sanctions: the International Criminal Court is sanctioned away from Microsoft, so they can't leg…
> Fun fact about sanctions: the International Criminal Court is sanctioned away from Microsoft, so they can't legally get access to Windows or Office.
How does that even work? There are many companies in the EU that (legally) sells second hand Windows and Office licenses to anyone.