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Re: Show HN: I built an LLM chat app because we shouldn't need 10 AI subscriptions

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Post by lvl155 »

I think in theory this type of approach is good but you know what’s going to happen eventually. Companies like OpenAI is already gatekeeping its best models. You need to pay and tier up on their platform to even use it. There’s no free lunch in AI landscape.

Re: Show HN: I built an LLM chat app because we shouldn't need 10 AI subscriptions

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Post by al_borland »

I like the idea of a single chat with many models. Pre-AI-everything, I was already a Kagi user, so already paying for that. I've started using the Kagi Assistant[0] to solve this for myself. I pay $10/month, as I always did, and that's my credit limit to the various LLMs. They added an AI cost tracker to create transparency to those costs. So far this month I've used $0.88 of my $10.00 allotment. So I don't feel like I'm in any danger of going over. If I wasn't already paying for this, I'd be pretty interested in an option that was pay-as-you-go.

Looking at your pricing I find the credit model a bit confusing. It feels like credit card points and I don't really have a concept of what that will get me. Tokens are a bit abstract, but that's the currency of AI, so it is what it is. Adding credits as an intermediary between tokens and dollars may have been done with the goal of simplify things, but it my head it makes it harder to understand and leaves more places for hidden fees to hide.

Giving some idea of how much usage someone could expect to get out of a 1,000 tokens or 100 credits or $1 would be useful. I can do the math and see I can do 20 web searches for $1, but does that include follow up questions? Is every question a web search? Kagi shows that I've used 15 searches so far today, and it's cost me less than 2¢ for the almost 19k tokens. So I'm a bit confused.

More generally on the chat-only umbrella tools, I do miss some of the nice-to-have options of going directly with the big players (interactive code editors, better images generation, etc), but not enough to be paying $20+/month/service.

[0] https://kagi.com/assistant

Re: Show HN: I built an LLM chat app because we shouldn't need 10 AI subscriptions

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Post by v5v3 »

kwamenum86 wrote: post #16

Librechat seems perfect for your use case. It’s open source as well. Used by many of the big techcos to solve the problem you’re describing, so it’s battle tested https://www.librechat.ai

Only has some models but https://Duck.Ai is free

It's Duckduckgo's offering.

Re: Show HN: I built an LLM chat app because we shouldn't need 10 AI subscriptions

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Post by metrix »

al_borland wrote: post #13

I like the idea of a single chat with many models. Pre-AI-everything, I was already a Kagi user, so already paying for that. I've started using the Kagi Assistant[0] to solve this for myself. I pay $10/month, as I always did, and that's my credit limit to the various LLMs. They added an AI cost tracker to create transparency to those costs. So far this month I've used $0.88 of my $10.00 allotment. So I don't feel lik…

I've been using openrouter.ai to use "all llm's". No subscription, and can be tied to your editor of choice

Re: Show HN: I built an LLM chat app because we shouldn't need 10 AI subscriptions

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Post by kosolam »

v5v3 wrote: post #17
bob_theslob646 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's openrouter?

https://openrouter.ai/ edited to remove statement saying API only, as per comments.

Openrouter has a chat built in as well. Also, since librechat was mentioned, the self hosted option I currently prefer is openwebui - connected to openrouter and gemini here.
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