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AGI Is Mathematically Impossible (3): Kolmogorov Complexity

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Re: AGI Is Mathematically Impossible (3): Kolmogorov Complexity

#11

How is your brain doing it then?

> How is your brain doing it then?

Quantum entanglement?:

https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a65368553/quantum-e...

And we’re not mathematically impossible, unless that’s some new philosophical theory: “If human intelligence is mathematically impossible, and yet it exists, then mathematics is fallible, and by inductive reasoning logic is fallible, and I can prove things with inductive reasoning, because piss off.”

Re: AGI Is Mathematically Impossible (3): Kolmogorov Complexity

#12
post #7

I think that any paper that argues something is impossible is fundamentally flawed, particularly when there are examples of it being possible. Also, what's the point of telling others you believe what they are doing is impossible, specially after the results we are seeing even at the free-tier, open-to-the-public services?

What examples are there of the possibility of artificial general intelligence?

Re: AGI Is Mathematically Impossible (3): Kolmogorov Complexity

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post #7

I think that any paper that argues something is impossible is fundamentally flawed, particularly when there are examples of it being possible. Also, what's the point of telling others you believe what they are doing is impossible, specially after the results we are seeing even at the free-tier, open-to-the-public services?

You might want to check out the works of that buzzkill that Gödel is ^^

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_incompleteness_...

" The first incompleteness theorem states that no consistent system of axioms whose theorems can be listed by an effective procedure (i.e. an algorithm) is capable of proving all truths about the arithmetic of natural numbers. For any such consistent formal system, there will always be statements about natural numbers that are true, but that are unprovable within the system.

The second incompleteness theorem, an extension of the first, shows that the system cannot demonstrate its own consistency. "

:3

Re: AGI Is Mathematically Impossible (3): Kolmogorov Complexity

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post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It follows that it doesn’t. In practical terms, the result doesn’t matter. The race to approximate the human thought process and call it AGI (which is what matters economically) is on. If you can approximate it meaningfully faster that the real brain works in meatspace, you are winning. What it will mean for humanity or civilization is an open question.

I don't think it even needs to be faster, if you can make an artificial brain that's useful even if it's 100x slower, you can always run stuff in parallel.

It is already faster because you don't need to wait 12 years of K-12 and 4 years of college before it can produce meaningful answers.

Re: AGI Is Mathematically Impossible (3): Kolmogorov Complexity

#15

How is your brain doing it then?

> How is your brain doing it then? Quantum entanglement?: https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a65368553/quantum-e... And we’re not mathematically impossible, unless that’s some new philosophical theory: “If human intelligence is mathematically impossible, and yet it exists, then mathematics is fallible, and by inductive reasoning logic is fallible, and I can prove things with inductive reasoning, because piss of…

Quantum entanglement is not magic that lets you bypass mathematics. Anything that's true with it is also true without it.

Re: AGI Is Mathematically Impossible (3): Kolmogorov Complexity

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post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It follows that it doesn’t. In practical terms, the result doesn’t matter. The race to approximate the human thought process and call it AGI (which is what matters economically) is on. If you can approximate it meaningfully faster that the real brain works in meatspace, you are winning. What it will mean for humanity or civilization is an open question.

I don't think it even needs to be faster, if you can make an artificial brain that's useful even if it's 100x slower, you can always run stuff in parallel.

> you can always run stuff in parallel.

Even that isn't needed. A "general intelligence" separable from ethics and rights is valuable in itself. It's valuable to subjugate, as long as the subjugated object is producing more than they are consuming.

Re: AGI Is Mathematically Impossible (3): Kolmogorov Complexity

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post #4

How is your brain doing it then?

It follows that it doesn’t. In practical terms, the result doesn’t matter. The race to approximate the human thought process and call it AGI (which is what matters economically) is on. If you can approximate it meaningfully faster that the real brain works in meatspace, you are winning. What it will mean for humanity or civilization is an open question.

That's one possible inference. However, it would also be consistent to claim that there is a fundamentally uncomputable and impossible-to-artificially-replicate "mechanism" underlying human intelligence.

Re: AGI Is Mathematically Impossible (3): Kolmogorov Complexity

#18

How is your brain doing it then?

> How is your brain doing it then? Quantum entanglement?: https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a65368553/quantum-e... And we’re not mathematically impossible, unless that’s some new philosophical theory: “If human intelligence is mathematically impossible, and yet it exists, then mathematics is fallible, and by inductive reasoning logic is fallible, and I can prove things with inductive reasoning, because piss of…

> then mathematics is fallible

Wasn't this essentially the conclusion of Gödel. Math, based on a set of axioms, will either have to accept that there are things that are true but can't be proven, or that there are proofs that aren't true.

Re: AGI Is Mathematically Impossible (3): Kolmogorov Complexity

#19
I'll bite; There was a Kurt Jaimungal interview yesterday explaining that the Navier-Stokes fluid equations are not only unpredictable (chaotic), but also uncomputable (in the Turing sense). (if I recalled it correctly)

But I take that to mean there's no general, universal algorithm to tell us anything we want to know. But that's not what intelligence is, we're not defining some kind of absolute intelligence like an oracle for the halting problem. That definition would be a category error.

Re: AGI Is Mathematically Impossible (3): Kolmogorov Complexity

#20

How is your brain doing it then?

> How is your brain doing it then? Quantum entanglement?: https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a65368553/quantum-e... And we’re not mathematically impossible, unless that’s some new philosophical theory: “If human intelligence is mathematically impossible, and yet it exists, then mathematics is fallible, and by inductive reasoning logic is fallible, and I can prove things with inductive reasoning, because piss of…

Even if the brain were using quantum voodoo (and it's not: it's too messy and too hot), a machine could use the same techniques to implement AGI.
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