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Re: Bypassing Google's big anti-adblock update

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Post by hkt »

worik wrote: post #352
echelon wrote: post #314

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The answer is antitrust. The FTC / DOJ should strip Google of Chrome. Honestly, they should split Google into four or five "baby Bell"-type companies. They're ensnaring the public and web commerce in so many ways: - Chrome URL bar is a "search bar" - You have to pay to maintain your trademark even if you own the .com, because other parties can place ads in front of you with Google Search. (Same on Google Play Store.)…

Yes to everything except the first statement: > The answer is antitrust. Anti-trust is crucial to make the capitalist economy work prperly, I agree But another answer is "Firefox"

It isn't a coincidence that Google continue to fund Mozilla: Firefox is, arguably, a fig leaf. A few hundred million a year is a small price to pay to Google if they have even a semi-willing participant in allowing them to bulldoze through the standards bodies.

Re: Bypassing Google's big anti-adblock update

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Post by srcoder »

qustrolabe wrote: post #161
urda wrote: post #114

You bypass it by installing Firefox.

Firefox is awful. Both as a browser itself and as a base for other browsers. Such a shame that Zen didn't use Chromium :(

I use Zen everyday and a love it! I am glad they chose Firefox as a base, otherwise I would have skipped it. Firefox is stable, I open it when I boot my PC which runs for weeks and never think anything about it. On topic of ad blocking, I think that there are more ways to anoy users using ad blockers today despite of which browser someone uses, with ad block detection and blocking access. If your browser is build by a ad company, expect these changes. For this reason I won't use these browsers

Re: Bypassing Google's big anti-adblock update

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Post by ogoffart »

duped wrote: post #514
pjmlp wrote: post #400

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Web features being pushed by Google via Chrome, aren't standards, unless everyone actually agrees they are worthy of becoming one. Shipping Electron junk, strengthens Google and Chrome market presence, and the reference to Web standards, why bother when it is whatever Chrome is capable of. Web devs with worthy skills of forgotten times, would rather use regular processes alongside the default system browser.

There are no realistic alternatives to Electron. So calling it "junk" when its the baseline for "cross platform GUI application" is nonsense. I get that you don't like it, so go build an alternative.

I’m actually working on an alternative called Slint => https://slint.dev

Re: Bypassing Google's big anti-adblock update

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Post by baobun »

Takennickname wrote: post #545
chii wrote: post #520

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> use Linux except that for a majority of users, windows is where their applications are at - such as gaming, word processing, or some other thing. Sure there are replacements (somewhat) for each of those categories, but they are not direct replacements, and require a cost of some kind (retraining, or a substitute quality). This is esp. true for gaming, and it's only recent that gaming has made some inroads via the s…

I disagree that that's the majority of users. The majority of users either use only web applications, or web applications and Microsoft Office. The true majority of users are on mobile. Windows is only unreplaceable for gamers. Which is fine, because Windows is a toy anyway.

> Microsoft Office

Doesn't even exist anymore. She's "365 Copilot" and web-first now.

https://www.office.com/

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Post by amluto »

Neywiny wrote: post #21
krackers wrote: post #4

>They decided it wasn't a security issue, and honestly, I agree, because it didn't give extensions access to data they didn't already have. So they admit that MV3 isn't actually any more secure than MV2?

I'd be shocked if anyone actually believes them. This article starts with the obvious conflict of interest. Of course letting an extension know what websites you visit and what requests are made is an insecure lifestyle. But I still do it because I trust uBO more than I trust the ad companies and their data harvesters.

No, MV3 really isn’t more secure. MV3 still allows extensions to inspect your requests — it just doesn’t allow extensions to block them.

It’s almost comical how weak the security/privacy argument for MV3 is. Chrome could have developed a sandboxed web request inspection framework to prevent data exfiltration, but they didn’t even try. Instead they nerfed ad blockers without adding any security.

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Post by lowwave »

quacksilver wrote: post #403
azangru wrote: post #330

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> instead of learning Web standards, rather ships Chrome alongside their application I am confused. - The "shipping Chrome alongside their application" part seems to refer to Electron; but Electron is hardly guilty of what is described in the article. - The "learning web standards" bit seems to impune web developers; but how are they guilty of the Chrome monopoly? If anything, they are guilty of shipping react apps i…

Devs, particularly those with pressure to ship or who don't know better, unfortunately see 'it works in Chrome' as 'it works', even if it is a quirk of Chrome that causes it to work, or if they use Chrome related hacks that break compatibility with other browsers to get it to work in Chrome. - Sometimes the standards don't define some exact behavior and it is left for the browser implementer to come up with. Chrome i…

Before shipping any web site/app, make sure it works in Apple Safari Mobile is usually the one that is dragging it is foot in Web Standards.

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Post by 0dayz »

djrj477dhsnv wrote: post #395
acdha wrote: post #353

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Hate can be popular but that still doesn’t make it right. He knew that he was spending money hoping to take away rights from people he knew, to tell some of them that their marriages shouldn’t be allowed, and did it anyway. That’s hateful regardless of how many other people joined him.

By that definition, all politics is "hate". Passing a law will always take away the rights of a group in some way or other, and politics is the debate of whether or not that's a good or bad thing. Personally I'm 100% for letting everyone express their gender or sexual identities. But I'm not going to demonize someone for having a different opinion and making a small donation to support their political views.

Not what defines politics what do ever, politics by definition is the practice of trying to figure out ways to solve power and philosophical disagreement.

>Personally I'm 100% for letting everyone express their gender or sexual identities. But I'm not going to demonize someone for having a different opinion and making a small donation to support their political views.

You would never ever say this if it was about a person/movement that personally affects you or your way of life.

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Post by Kwpolska »

ObscureScience wrote: post #532
sky2224 wrote: post #521

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I get what you're saying, but the problem is the software does 90% of what I want really well and I like that they do that 90% super well and I want to keep that. In your Windows vs. Linux example, Linux just doesn't do a lot of things very well on the UI/UX side of things (e.g., window management, driver support, an out of the box experience). Knock Windows all you want, but it honestly does quite a few pretty impor…

>In your Windows vs. Linux example, Linux just doesn't do a lot of things very well on the UI/UX side of things (e.g., window management, driver support, an out of the box experience). That judgement confuses me a lot. Window management, drivers and out of the box experience has been much better in Linux for the last 10 years in my experience. Sure, there are some companies that don't ship drivers for Linux or the co…

Have you ever used Linux with high DPI monitors? Windows handles them OK since Windows Vista, and really well since 8. I've seen the classic Windows XP bug of measurements not being scaled and labels being cut off on modern Linux.

How about mixed DPI multi monitor setups? Great since Windows 10. On Linux, you're screwed. X doesn't support this. Wayland does, but not all apps work well with that, and not all apps and GPUs support Wayland.

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Post by iLoveOncall »

lucb1e wrote: post #312
iLoveOncall wrote: post #46

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You also give money to the creators you watch by watching ads or watching with YouTube premium. You also can't block ads on iPhones, which a majority of the developed world uses. My girlfriend has never watched a YouTube video on something other than an Apple device for example.

I'd rather send money to the people I want to support than fund a middleman > which a majority of the developed world uses ... the USA? It's not a majority in any other country that I'm aware of I've got a Eurocentric view though, I have e.g. no idea if Singapore or China has a majority of Apple users or where you draw the line on 'developed' (critique on the term: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Factfulne…

https://www.enterpriseappstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/...

Basically any rich country has a majority of iPhones. And let's not even talk about tablets.

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