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Re: Bypassing Google's big anti-adblock update

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Post by sneak » Sun, Jul 13, 2025, 4:14 AM UTC

djrj477dhsnv wrote: post #395

acdha wrote: post #353

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Hate can be popular but that still doesn’t make it right. He knew that he was spending money hoping to take away rights from people he knew, to tell some of them that their marriages shouldn’t be allowed, and did it anyway. That’s hateful regardless of how many other people joined him.

By that definition, all politics is "hate". Passing a law will always take away the rights of a group in some way or other, and politics is the debate of whether or not that's a good or bad thing. Personally I'm 100% for letting everyone express their gender or sexual identities. But I'm not going to demonize someone for having a different opinion and making a small donation to support their political views.

Perhaps you should. Some opinions and political views (such as those against human rights) are abhorrent.

Deciding that you will turn your head the other way and ignore those who act against human rights speaks to your character.

Re: Bypassing Google's big anti-adblock update

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Post by userbinator » Sun, Jul 13, 2025, 4:14 AM UTC

leptons wrote: post #337

userbinator wrote: post #321

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IE was far less user-hostile than Chrome.

Only because Microsoft got slapped on the wrist way back when. Google should get slapped too, and they might be headed that way... https://www.npr.org/2025/04/20/nx-s1-5367750/google-breakup-... Safari is also pretty user-hostile, which is why Apple is getting sued by the DOJ for purposely hobbling Safari while forbidding any other browser engine on IOS. They did this so that developers are forced to write native app…

There's a huge difference between antitrust concerns, and mass surveillance and anti-user hostility. MS' business back then was to sell software, not monetise users.

Re: Bypassing Google's big anti-adblock update

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Post by paulryanrogers » Sun, Jul 13, 2025, 4:16 AM UTC

smileybarry wrote: post #288

daft_pink wrote: post #3

So what’s the conclusion? Can we use a different Chrome based browser and avoid MV3? What’s the decision for privacy after this has happened?

Microsoft supposedly aligned with deprecating MV2 back when Google announced it but they've indefinitely postponed it. The KB about it still says "TBD", and there's zero mention of it around the actual browser. IMO it's a good alternative, if you trust Microsoft (I do).

I would interpret that "TBD" to mean the moment Microsoft pulls in Chromium 139 changes. Anything else would be to costly for a small amount of goodwill from a niche community.

Re: Bypassing Google's big anti-adblock update

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Post by esperent » Sun, Jul 13, 2025, 4:17 AM UTC

homebrewer wrote: post #364

matthewaveryusa wrote: post #341

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Websites I use regularly for banking don't work outside of chrome. I've done the pure firefox forray recently but after 6 months it gets tiresome to have 2 browsers and 3 weeks ago Ive admitted defeat for the second time and went full chrome. Who am I lying to -- market cornered, ggwp. It's like trying to eat food without paying a cent to cargill.

Treat it as isolating banking from the rest of your browsing, there are enough CVEs coming out for Chromium in spite of (or maybe because of) Google pouring billions into it.

This is what I do. Chromium for Facebook, banking, and Google (photos and map). Firefox for everything else. It's a very tiny inconvenience to switch between browsers for these tasks.

Re: Bypassing Google's big anti-adblock update

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Post by WarOnPrivacy » Sun, Jul 13, 2025, 4:20 AM UTC

ndriscoll wrote: post #437

WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #416

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> except firefox is pretty bad nowadays. Pretty bad as in that isn't true? Firefox is the option that doesn't intentionally leave users vulnerable to hostile adtech. Firefox is the option with containers. Past that it is performant and reliable under a wide variety of user loads and platforms. or Pretty bad as in Firefox+forks are better than the alternatives? It is true that some unfortunate default options were rec…

Those "default options" are precisely "intentionally leav[ing] users vulnerable to hostile ad tech" (e.g. PPA). It's built into the browser and on by default. Mozilla have very explicitly stated they believe ads are critical for the web. It is still better the chrome though (and a patch set like librewolf is better still).

> Those "default options" are precisely "intentionally leav[ing] users vulnerable to hostile ad tech" (e.g. PPA).

The difference between Firefox's 1x and Chromium's 100x + 100x is in the degree of harm visited upon the user.

Finding harsh fault with former while giving the much more egregious example a pass -- this makes sense if one feels Firefox isn't abusive enough towards it's users.

Re: Bypassing Google's big anti-adblock update

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Post by paulryanrogers » Sun, Jul 13, 2025, 4:20 AM UTC

sciencesama wrote: post #350

Using ebpf to block ads would be fun !! Need a way to translate rules into blocking rules for ebpf

How would that work? Isn't having all the browser and doc context what makes UBO (MV2) the most robust blocker?

Would the browser be talking to the kernel through some back channel?

Re: Bypassing Google's big anti-adblock update

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Post by xnx » Sun, Jul 13, 2025, 4:20 AM UTC

crazygringo wrote: post #94

rstat1 wrote: post #84

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Its called Lite because it has tons of missing functionality from the not-Lite version that make the not-Lite version more effective as a content blocker.

It's not "tons of missing functionality". It still blocks all the ads in practice. Maybe it's less effective in some theoretical case, but not anything I've seen. People talk as if it's only blocking 10% of the ads it used to, when the reality seems to be 99.999% or something. And it's faster now. And they removed stuff like the element zapper but that has nothing to do with Manifest v3. It's because they literally w…

I hate ads with a passion and would stop using Chrome immediately if I started seeing ads.

I agree on all counts. uBlock Origin Lite has been a totally satisfactory substitute. I honestly couldn't tell you when the switchover even happened.

Re: Bypassing Google's big anti-adblock update

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Post by Sunspark » Sun, Jul 13, 2025, 4:22 AM UTC

mumbisChungo wrote: post #420

zulban wrote: post #361

I don't "bypass" Chrome when they want to melt my brain with their business model, I use Firefox. I don't "bypass" Windows when they want to melt my brain with their business model, I use Linux. No idea why so many "hackers" doing "bypasses" can't instead take action that is simpler, long lasting, and easier. Do people need to jerked around 50 times for 20 years before realizing it will keep happening and their "bypa…

What makes firefox better than brave?

For me, I like being able to set a default font/size/colour for all websites as an override. Chromium browsers don't do that out of the box.

I like that it quarantines most of Facebook's shenanigans with cookies and the like.

I can't compare Brave's adblock to uBlock Origin, but it's probably good enough.

Re: Bypassing Google's big anti-adblock update

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Post by pertymcpert » Sun, Jul 13, 2025, 4:25 AM UTC

djrj477dhsnv wrote: post #395

acdha wrote: post #353

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hate can be popular but that still doesn’t make it right. He knew that he was spending money hoping to take away rights from people he knew, to tell some of them that their marriages shouldn’t be allowed, and did it anyway. That’s hateful regardless of how many other people joined him.

By that definition, all politics is "hate". Passing a law will always take away the rights of a group in some way or other, and politics is the debate of whether or not that's a good or bad thing. Personally I'm 100% for letting everyone express their gender or sexual identities. But I'm not going to demonize someone for having a different opinion and making a small donation to support their political views.

Just say what you really think.

Re: Bypassing Google's big anti-adblock update

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Post by weregiraffe » Sun, Jul 13, 2025, 4:25 AM UTC

fooker wrote: post #413

zulban wrote: post #361

I don't "bypass" Chrome when they want to melt my brain with their business model, I use Firefox. I don't "bypass" Windows when they want to melt my brain with their business model, I use Linux. No idea why so many "hackers" doing "bypasses" can't instead take action that is simpler, long lasting, and easier. Do people need to jerked around 50 times for 20 years before realizing it will keep happening and their "bypa…

Great, except firefox is pretty bad nowadays. Not their fault of course, with people not testing websites on non chrome derived browsers.

No, firefox is great nowadays.