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Re: Bypassing Google's big anti-adblock update

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Post by oehpr »

janalsncm wrote: post #228
al_borland wrote: post #66

Even if bigs exists to work around what Google is doing, that isn’t the right way forward. If people don’t agree with Google move, the only correct course of action is to ditch Chrome (and all Chromium browsers). Hit them where it hurts and take away their monopoly over the future direction of the web.

“Sorry, we don’t support any browsers other than Chrome” I agree exploiting a bug isn’t a sustainable solution. But it’s also unrealistic to think switching is viable.

Keep chrome installed and fall back iff forced to. That way the majority of usage statistics show up as other browsers so when developers are making guesses at which browser to support, those statistics will push them away from chrome.

Additionally: you would be surprised how infrequently you have to switch to chrome

Re: Bypassing Google's big anti-adblock update

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Post by tankenmate »

janalsncm wrote: post #228
al_borland wrote: post #66

Even if bigs exists to work around what Google is doing, that isn’t the right way forward. If people don’t agree with Google move, the only correct course of action is to ditch Chrome (and all Chromium browsers). Hit them where it hurts and take away their monopoly over the future direction of the web.

“Sorry, we don’t support any browsers other than Chrome” I agree exploiting a bug isn’t a sustainable solution. But it’s also unrealistic to think switching is viable.

By that logic attempting to change anything at all is not viable; e pur si muove.

Re: Bypassing Google's big anti-adblock update

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Post by bluehatbrit »

qustrolabe wrote: post #161
urda wrote: post #114

You bypass it by installing Firefox.

Firefox is awful. Both as a browser itself and as a base for other browsers. Such a shame that Zen didn't use Chromium :(

Your comment is pretty meaningless without more specifics.

I switched to Firefox again back in 2017, I have 0 issues with it. If anything it's faster and less resources hungry than chrome in my usage. The extension ecosystem is now arguably better with MV3 being rolled out to chrome.

Probably the only annoying thing was learning where the buttons are in the devtools. They're all still there, just laid out differently. It took about a week to get to grips with that.

What exactly makes you say it's an awful browser?

Re: Bypassing Google's big anti-adblock update

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Post by bayindirh »

pjmlp wrote: post #136
al_borland wrote: post #66

Even if bigs exists to work around what Google is doing, that isn’t the right way forward. If people don’t agree with Google move, the only correct course of action is to ditch Chrome (and all Chromium browsers). Hit them where it hurts and take away their monopoly over the future direction of the web.

A monopoly achieved thanks to everyone that forgot about IE lesson, and instead of learning Web standards, rather ships Chrome alongside their application.

Chrome was made to fracture, and everything started with the aptly named “Atom” editor (they “invented” Electron).

Everybody choose convenience over efficiency and standards, because apparently nobody understood what “being lazy” actually is.

Re: Bypassing Google's big anti-adblock update

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Post by zos_kia »

oehpr wrote: post #241
janalsncm wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Sorry, we don’t support any browsers other than Chrome” I agree exploiting a bug isn’t a sustainable solution. But it’s also unrealistic to think switching is viable.

Keep chrome installed and fall back iff forced to. That way the majority of usage statistics show up as other browsers so when developers are making guesses at which browser to support, those statistics will push them away from chrome. Additionally: you would be surprised how infrequently you have to switch to chrome

Can't remember the last time I actually had to open a website on chrome for compatibility reasons. Is that still a thing?

Re: Bypassing Google's big anti-adblock update

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Post by LordDragonfang »

krackers wrote: post #50
Neywiny wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd be shocked if anyone actually believes them. This article starts with the obvious conflict of interest. Of course letting an extension know what websites you visit and what requests are made is an insecure lifestyle. But I still do it because I trust uBO more than I trust the ad companies and their data harvesters.

One of the main goals of MV3 seems to be nullifying protection against tracking URLs. Most of the discussion about adblocking technically "still working" under MV3 misses this point. It doesn't matter if you're actually served ads or not, when when your underlying habits can still easily be collected from the combination of fingerprints and tracking URLs. https://github.com/w3c/webextensions/issues/302

> Most of the discussion about adblocking technically "still working" under MV3 misses this point.

Because it's a dishonest point. Ad blocking still works. All the same ads can still be removed from the page. Tracker blocking doesn't. This is still a huge problem for privacy. But while nearly everyone dislikes seeing ads that interrupt your content, people who actually care about tracking privacy are a much smaller group. The latter group are trying to smuggle concern for the latter issue by framing it as the more favorable issue to garner more support from the former.

Re: Bypassing Google's big anti-adblock update

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Post by pnw »

CharlesW wrote: post #134
pnw wrote: post #56

Haven't missed Chrome once since switching to https://brave.com/

In the "cons" column, Brave is still a for-profit and has a bunch of features that continue to give some people the ick. In the "pros" column, there's a bunch of "how to debloat Brave" content showing how to improve the default kitchen-sink confifguration. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6cKFliWW6Q

I do turn off the wallet, VPN, AI and other bloat, but it's a minor inconvenience for a better browser.

Re: Bypassing Google's big anti-adblock update

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Post by bayindirh »

janalsncm wrote: post #228
al_borland wrote: post #66

Even if bigs exists to work around what Google is doing, that isn’t the right way forward. If people don’t agree with Google move, the only correct course of action is to ditch Chrome (and all Chromium browsers). Hit them where it hurts and take away their monopoly over the future direction of the web.

“Sorry, we don’t support any browsers other than Chrome” I agree exploiting a bug isn’t a sustainable solution. But it’s also unrealistic to think switching is viable.

For me “switching” is to start using something else rather than Firefox, so switching from Chrome is viable.

Re: Bypassing Google's big anti-adblock update

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Post by worldsayshi »

agile-gift0262 wrote: post #117
high_priest wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its not happening

I switched to Firefox and it's been wonderful. I wonder why I didn't switch earlier. It's only been a couple of months, but I can't imagine going back to a browser without multi-account containers.

The main thing holding me back is lack of pwa support, since there are a few apps that i need to use that only exist as progressive web apps on Linux. And using another browser for pwa has shown to be a bit cumbersome.

I know pwa is coming back to Firefox soon-ish.

Re: Bypassing Google's big anti-adblock update

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Post by worldsayshi »

xg15 wrote: post #225
agile-gift0262 wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I switched to Firefox and it's been wonderful. I wonder why I didn't switch earlier. It's only been a couple of months, but I can't imagine going back to a browser without multi-account containers.

That's nice for you, but the monopoly is still there. In fact, you've strengthened Google's side in antitrust proceedings where they pretend they are not a monopoly because a small number of people use Firefox.

Yeah I'm surprised Google isn't imposing the same policies on Firefox. They ought to have considerable influence on Mozilla.
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