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Supreme Court's ruling practically wipes out free speech for sex writing online

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Re: Supreme Court's ruling practically wipes out free speech for sex writing online

#351

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you need an id to buy porn irl why wouldn't you need one to buy it online?

Because 'online' is the entire planet, including sellers in foreign countries. Would you like to have "digital borders" between countries, where data has to show some sort of passport to cross the border?

Again, if I want to import pron from Japan I need to not only prove I'm 18 to the border censors but make sure the pron is legal locally.

Plenty of people have been arrested for importing things legal in Japan that are illegal in the West.

Plenty of countries have laws on the books that make it a felony to even look at what's on the average Japanese store bookshelf while you're in Japan.

Why should the laws be different just because you're moving electrons instead of atoms?

Re: Supreme Court's ruling practically wipes out free speech for sex writing online

#352

Others have said this, I'm sure, but this will move past porn _quickly_. Once there is agreed-up age verification for pornography, much of the professional internet will require identity verification to do _anything_. This is one of the bigger nails in the coffin for the free internet, and this true whether or not you're happy with all the pornography out there.

This doesn't sound so bad. I would much prefer to have discussions about politics, technology, or religion safe in the knowledge that I am not inadvertently communicating with a minor.

I had very passionate talks online about all 3 categories before I turned 18, and I got a lot of feedback, from older folk I didn't previously know, that I shaped opinions and formed new perspectives - and a lot of the talks sure as shit did the same for me. I cannot say I would have nearly the same current passion that I do for technology, aspects of politics, and philosophy (including that of religion) without such exposures during my adolescent years, and I'm sure you'd be hard-pressed to find others young enough that wouldn't say the same - provided they have an adequate baseline of introspection.

On that note, out of all the examples you could have given for discussion categories that are unbecoming to have with minors, you chose 3 relatively benign ones, lol.

Re: Supreme Court's ruling practically wipes out free speech for sex writing online

#353
Same as it ever was. The government has been congenitally unable to strike a rational balance between free speech vs indecency statutes. "I know it when I see it" has been a meme since 1964 when it was written by the Supreme Court. In handing control of that balance over to the states, the federal government is just giving up. But it won't work. The issue still needs to be resolved. We're going to see many, many, many more Supreme Court cases on indecency vs free speech.

Re: Supreme Court's ruling practically wipes out free speech for sex writing online

#354

Others have said this, I'm sure, but this will move past porn _quickly_. Once there is agreed-up age verification for pornography, much of the professional internet will require identity verification to do _anything_. This is one of the bigger nails in the coffin for the free internet, and this true whether or not you're happy with all the pornography out there.

This doesn't sound so bad. I would much prefer to have discussions about politics, technology, or religion safe in the knowledge that I am not inadvertently communicating with a minor.

Parent said identity verification, not age verification.

Re: Supreme Court's ruling practically wipes out free speech for sex writing online

#355

All these ID check laws are out of hand. Parents are expecting the government, and random websites, to raise their kids. Why would anyone trust some random blog with their ID? If these laws move forward (and I don’t think they should), there needs to be a way to authenticate as over 18 without sending picture of your ID off to random 3rd parties, or giving actual personal details. I don’t want to give this data, and…

> Why would anyone trust some random blog with their ID?

They won't have to, most websites will use 3rd party age verification. This is basically what Doordash and Uber Eats use to verify your age before delivering alcohol or THC to your apartment.

Rife for abuse? Absolutely. Will these databases get leaked and increase the chances of your identity getting stolen? Yes. But isn't a small increase to an already-existing problem.

Re: Supreme Court's ruling practically wipes out free speech for sex writing online

#356

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who is your generation and how do you think they turned out. No, save it (don't save it, this is rhetorical), because apparently every generation is screwed up in their own way that begets the ills of the next. And if we happen to be cohorts (which I suspect we may be), then I think we made out as worse as any. And is it wrong to assume that there isn't any difference between either kinds of footage? That one goads t…

Anything you experience may push you in a direction with some magnitude, but we tend to overestimate the magnitude and mispredict the direction because we’re worried about the wellbeing of kids. Think “violent video games create school schootings.” In reality, kids have to deal with a lot of real things in life that are hard, an abusive parent or bullies at school, but those realities are harder to deal with so we di…

I'll offer the following speculation:

Virtual reality simulates physical reality.

In some cases, like violent video games, they assuage traumas. Whether it's a recording on a screen or not, can our brains tell the difference?

Something is going on, spooky and subtle in the mind that makes whatever is on the screen meaningful to us.

I don't want to get us trapped in this false interpretation that in the year 2025 there is a difference between how human beings are affected in the physical and digital world. To be frank, it's stupid to think like this, meaning that it's an insult to the intelligence of the person who thinks this way and it needs to be called out as such in order to encourage them to think critically about the matter.

If this whole interaction is just some woopdy doo, willy nilly, be that as it may sort of engagement with media, what compels us then to entertain the things that we don't (or don't want to) attribute to the hard things in life?

I'm going to assume your gender and your age to some degree here:

Middle-aged men have a tendency to Wednesday Night Sitcom Dad their way out of confronting things that bring their own vulnerabilities into question and collectively make them accountable for figuring out what to do about these things, especially if it comes at the cost of comfort that they're trying to preserve that are the accessories to their vulnerabilities.

What we're discussing isn't as simple as the "close your eyes to avoid cyberbullying" quips of yore: https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/tyler-the-creators-cyber-bull... (in which I make a more blatant attempt at guessing which generation you belong to and consequently expose my own).

Re: Supreme Court's ruling practically wipes out free speech for sex writing online

#358

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> These people will never actually ban pornography Not sure how one can say that with a straight face when there are US states that literally block pornhub, but okay. > If this was actually about porn on the internet, they'd be demanding Playboy get shut down, or PornHub. They're not ...

You have it backwards, Pornhub preemptively blocked access based on geolocation before the bills even passed.

Re: Supreme Court's ruling practically wipes out free speech for sex writing online

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> These people will never actually ban pornography Not sure how one can say that with a straight face when there are US states that literally block pornhub, but okay. > If this was actually about porn on the internet, they'd be demanding Playboy get shut down, or PornHub. They're not ...

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Re: Supreme Court's ruling practically wipes out free speech for sex writing online

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> These people will never actually ban pornography Not sure how one can say that with a straight face when there are US states that literally block pornhub, but okay. > If this was actually about porn on the internet, they'd be demanding Playboy get shut down, or PornHub. They're not ...

Note that pornography is not banned here in Texas at least. You just have to provide age verification, and PH elected not to participate in that process. It doesn’t seem like that wild a thing at face value.
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