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Supreme Court's ruling practically wipes out free speech for sex writing online

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All these ID check laws are out of hand. Parents are expecting the government, and random websites, to raise their kids. Why would anyone trust some random blog with their ID? If these laws move forward (and I don’t think they should), there needs to be a way to authenticate as over 18 without sending picture of your ID off to random 3rd parties, or giving actual personal details. I don’t want to give this data, and…

The pre-red-tape internet was glorious. Only way to get that back is to decentralize everything.

Re: Supreme Court's ruling practically wipes out free speech for sex writing online

#152

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If an state AG tries to prosecute an entity that has no ties to the state other than content being passively accessible, that's probably another supreme court case if it doesn't get immediately decided in favor of the defendant in the lower courts. You open a big can of worms if entities are required to proactively comply with regulations in states they have zero presence in. If Texas wants to block content from enti…

> You open a big can of worms if entities are required to proactively comply with regulations in states they have zero presence in. It’s true, it would cause a great deal of chaos if suddenly every person and business had to comply with fifty-plus different and sometimes contradictory state laws. But it seems like that’s where we’re headed?

As far as I understand it (IANAL), this ruling decides that the speech restrictions imposed by the Texas ID verification law are compliant with the 1st amendment. It didn't touch on whether or not Texas can enforce its laws on entities that don't do business in Texas.

Re: Supreme Court's ruling practically wipes out free speech for sex writing online

#153

Others have said this, I'm sure, but this will move past porn _quickly_. Once there is agreed-up age verification for pornography, much of the professional internet will require identity verification to do _anything_. This is one of the bigger nails in the coffin for the free internet, and this true whether or not you're happy with all the pornography out there.

I don’t agree, at least as far as legal obligation goes. The average voter is far more worried about porn and other explicit content and not so much about anything else.

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Re: Supreme Court's ruling practically wipes out free speech for sex writing online

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> If these laws move forward (and I don’t think they should), there needs to be a way to authenticate as over 18 without sending picture of your ID off to random 3rd parties, or giving actual personal details. But there won't be. Because the ultimate purpose of laws like this isn't really to prevent minors from accessing porn. Ultimately, it's to 1) outlaw porn for everyone , because it's "sinful", and 2) outlaw disc…

Don't forget about sex education and literature in general

Knowledge is power.

Re: Supreme Court's ruling practically wipes out free speech for sex writing online

#155
post #41

All these ID check laws are out of hand. Parents are expecting the government, and random websites, to raise their kids. Why would anyone trust some random blog with their ID? If these laws move forward (and I don’t think they should), there needs to be a way to authenticate as over 18 without sending picture of your ID off to random 3rd parties, or giving actual personal details. I don’t want to give this data, and…

Devils advocate: parents that are too busy or not tech savvy are helpless to block content without essentially forbidding their kids from using any connected device. I run a pi-hole that blocks ads and porn, but that’s way beyond the technical capability of probably 95% of people. There are some commercial products but they are expensive and also take time and at least a little tech ability to set up. … and of course…

doesnt realize theyre the problem

Re: Supreme Court's ruling practically wipes out free speech for sex writing online

#156
post #124

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I expect a liquor store to check ID, why not a porn store?

Interesting, why did you give up your right to buy liquor anonymously? And you also seem to be willing to give up your right to anonymous porn. Why?

Most of us alive in the US today never had a right to buy liquor anonymously, unless you’re making a natural rights argument independent of contrary constitutional or statutory law. The 21st Amendment gives lots of authority to states to regulate or prohibit alcohol sales, including the right to require ID.

With that said, even now, it’s normal that liquor stores only look at IDs without transmitting or recording the information anywhere (in the absence of fraud concerns), so if the purchase itself is made with cash, it has most (not quite all) of the same data privacy and security consequences as a true anonymous purchase.

This is very different from the online porn age verification proposals.

Re: Supreme Court's ruling practically wipes out free speech for sex writing online

#157

"Party of free speech," my ass.

Neither of the two parties is very much in favor of free speech. The left has cancel culture and policing pronouns while the right has blocking books with gay characters and age verification laws.

“Cancel culture” is not government policy (and never was).

Re: Supreme Court's ruling practically wipes out free speech for sex writing online

#158

All these ID check laws are out of hand. Parents are expecting the government, and random websites, to raise their kids. Why would anyone trust some random blog with their ID? If these laws move forward (and I don’t think they should), there needs to be a way to authenticate as over 18 without sending picture of your ID off to random 3rd parties, or giving actual personal details. I don’t want to give this data, and…

You mean like this?

https://webkit.org/blog/16993/news-from-wwdc25-web-technolog...

It’s a W3C spec led by Okta, Apple and Google based on an ISO standard and it is being rolled out as we speak.

This part

  other iOS applications that have registered themselves as an Identity Document Provider.
Has some fun history: California went with an independent contractor for its mDL implementation, which ultimately pressured Apple into integrating open(-ish) standards to interoperate.

Re: Supreme Court's ruling practically wipes out free speech for sex writing online

#159
post #131

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There are many, many, many examples of every previous round of censorship in the name of "Think of the Children" being used against anything disliked by people in power, and filtered through the lens of the most conservative backwards puritans. Take a look at any banned book list. This is not a slippery slope fallacy, it's basic pattern recognition.

> There are many, many, many examples of every previous round of censorship in the name of "Think of the Children" being used against anything disliked by people in power Do you have any available?

https://pen.org/banned-books-list-2025/

https://bookshop.org/lists/banned-and-challenged-books-updat...

https://www.ala.org/bbooks/frequentlychallengedbooks/top10

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