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Post by amy214 »

dare944 wrote: post #194
piyiotisk wrote: post #167

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Who are you sir? I am a big fan of the general magicians

My name is Jay. I guess I was one of the "lesser" magicians. I worked on the Telescript side, doing infrastructure for the Telescript engine. But I got to interact with both Bill and Andy, and Phil and Tony, who I followed to further ventures. My experience at General Magic was certainly eye opening and super educational.

I was an archmage level magician and wrote the kernel graphics in assembly, Jay was a fine level 7 mage though

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dudeinjapan wrote: post #275
more-nitor wrote: post #237

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hmm so.. "I give you every herb bearing seed upon the Earth" is followed by "to eat/stuff into nose"? with this stupidity, maybe you should try eating list of 20 deadly plants and see how it goes? "ownership" means "edible/nose-able"... maybe you should try eating your car?

The words are written in the first chapter of the first book. Clearly God did not mean “use” as “in turn into rope and strangle other people” (violating other commandments) but nowhere does God say herbs can’t be used for medicine or wine can’t be used for its intoxicating effects, (within some reasonable degree of moderation.)

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Post by lukan »

temp0826 wrote: post #277
lukan wrote: post #245

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You seem to know, what you are doing. Is the retreat center where you work located in europe?

No (and sorry I don't know enough european centers to suggest any. My perspective is that the substance you drink is only one part of it, the curandero and their experience is the other, and I can't imagine there would be a lot of traditional experience over there)

"and I can't imagine there would be a lot of traditional experience over there"

No, not much. But plenty of new age shamans, who are spiritual, because they flew into the Amazonas once.

"My perspective is that the substance you drink is only one part of it"

Definitely. When I did it with brasilian Santo Deime folks, I was part of the whole ceremony, including cooking it traditionally for a long, long time and preparing mentally for it. Something like this I would like to do again at some point.

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Post by Forgeties79 »

jjcob wrote: post #36
Forgeties79 wrote: post #29

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Teenagers (in the US) before they go to college pretty typically at least try weed and alcohol at some point. Whether or not they tell their parents is a different story entirely

I was on a student exchange in the US at age ~15 and was offered both weed and alcohol. Funnily enough, weed seemed to be easier to get since dealers don't care about your age. For alcohol you needed to find someone older than 21 who'd buy it for you.

Yeah I definitely knew more stoners in high school than kids who regularly drank. I think drinking is harder to hide tbh. Once you learn how to deal with weed smell you can usually be more discreet.

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Post by mattmanser »

notarobot123 wrote: post #246
sneak wrote: post #233

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> I ended up having some of the best times of my life in the safety and context of home and friendships. > However, my personal moral compass prevents me from using substances outside of a legally permissible setting, at least at present - and that's something I'm fine with. What on Earth do laws have to do with morals?

Laws encode a kind of social reasoning (the balancing of risk, ethics, societal impacts, etc) and choosing to follow the law in most situations can be a moral stance (a matter of principle).

To an extent, but you have to be careful with that. A common counter-argument is what happened when the Nazis allowed you to report your neighbours for treasonous talk. Lawful, but evil.

There's a whole section of moral philosophy dedicated to whether it's morally right to subsequently go after the people who reported their neighbours. They knew they were sentencing their victims to imprisonment or death, but did so 'lawfully'. Ex post facto laws are an interesting moral conundrum.

Also laws sometimes don't actually reflect society as the process gets hijacked by companies, the billionaires controlling the media or vocal minorities (usually religious vocal minorities).

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Post by mtalantikite »

notarobot123 wrote: post #246
sneak wrote: post #233

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> I ended up having some of the best times of my life in the safety and context of home and friendships. > However, my personal moral compass prevents me from using substances outside of a legally permissible setting, at least at present - and that's something I'm fine with. What on Earth do laws have to do with morals?

Laws encode a kind of social reasoning (the balancing of risk, ethics, societal impacts, etc) and choosing to follow the law in most situations can be a moral stance (a matter of principle).

It was legal to own humans. Don't conflate laws and morality, they're completely different.

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Post by seltzered_ »

DonHopkins wrote: post #250
seltzered_ wrote: post #212

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Related: Hypercard '200 Points of Light' demonstration (concept from 1990): https://youtu.be/H5-T_S50Sr4

I finally located a video with a live demonstration of Chuck Farnham's HyperCard Smut Stack, from the auspicious journalistic production "Geraldo: Sex in the 90's. From Computer Porn to Fax Foxes"! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42571845 DonHopkins 6 months ago | parent | context | favorite | on: ASCII porn predates the Internet but it's still ev... Then you would have loved the HyperCard Smut Stack, the first…

Thanks as always for the backlinks Don!

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Post by colecut »

gavinray wrote: post #267
colecut wrote: post #155

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I tripped a lot in my early 20s, a whole lot, and never had a bad time. Well, I had some uncomfortable experiences, but not what I can now call a bad trip. One of my first times after, in my experience, I literally went to hell. I was convinced I was on the outskirts, all the people at the party around me were demons, I was about to be tortured forever, and I was never going to see my son again and he was going to gr…

I've had remarkably similar bad trips, unfortunately I didn't make it out as unscathed. I tell people: I had both the best day of my life, and the worst day of my life on psychedelics.

Interestingly, In 2006 I had both the best and worst night of my life (up to that point, this was pre-fatherhood) while on acid... but the acid wasn't really the primary factor in either direction..

Some of the best raves of the late 90s and early 2000s were at The State Palace Theater in New Orleans.. At the last party thrown there, I was invited to play first on the main stage, biggest soundsystem and crowd I ever played for, all my friends there to support.. Set goes great, we all hug and celebrate and and start tripping, and have a great time..

At about 4AM I go to get something in my record bag that I left on the stage by the decks.. someone stole it. It also had my car keys in it, among other things..

My buddy had to drive me 3+ hours away to get my spare keys, and hours back, and hours back home again, it was two days after the party before I finally settled in at home, without most of my keys and my stuff.

I had a friend who recorded and took pictures during my set, but in a different incident at the party, he dropped the camera in a literal hole in the floor of this dilapidating building, never to be seen again.

Despite being the worst feeling of my life, and being on acid, it wasn't a "bad trip" because it wasn't the trip's fault...

I would be interested to hear about your experiences. username at gmail if you'd rather not share here.

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