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OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by vachina »

lukan wrote: post #219
libraryofbabel wrote: post #202

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I don’t think that’s a viable strategy. It is very very hard and not many people can do it. Just look at how much Meta is paying to poach the few people in the world capable of training a next gen frontier model.

Why are there actually only a few people in the world able to do this? The basic concept is out there. Lots of smart people studying hard to catch up to also be poached. No shortage of those I assume. Good trainingsdata still seems the most important to me. (and lots of hardware) Or does the specific training still involves lots of smart decisions all the time? And those small or big decisions make all the difference…

You need a person that can hit the ground running. Compute for LLM is extremely capital intensive and you’re always racing against time. Missing performance targets can mean life or death of the company.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by rafaelmn »

bix6 wrote: post #52
Ancalagon wrote: post #32

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I actually don't know if there's much that can be done unless there's some non-competes in those employees' contracts which are usually not very enforceable outside of finance iirc.

Non competes aren’t enforceable in California but the company owns the IP so I’m curious about this license loophole they are using.

Is there any IP that's actually valuable without the team ? I sincerely doubt it.

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Post by upcoming-sesame »

mekpro wrote: post #379
jhickok wrote: post #228

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Can you give me an idea of how much interaction would be $50-$100 per day? Like are you pretty constantly in a back and forth with CC? And if you wouldn’t mind, any chance you can give me an idea of productivity gains pre/post LLM?

you can easily reach 50$ per day. by force switching model to opus /model opus it will continue to use opus eventhough there is a warning about approaching limit. i found opus is significantly more capable in coding than sonnet, especcially for the task that is poorly defined, thinking mode can fulfill alot of missing detail and you just need to edit a little before let it code.

wow. haven't tried Opus but Sonnet 4 is already damn good.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by vachina »

hedayet wrote: post #391

I was so surprised (or shocked) to hear that Windsurf was getting acquired for 3 billion dollars, I made an HN post asking about the truth of that news - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43933825 . HN's system didn't like my tone I guess and removed it, lol. But in any case, I just can't see how AI code editors like Windsurf or Cursor, without any proprietary model, can be valued at billions. What's the underlyin…

They sell stuff that actually works, and people who use it convince people who pay money to pay for it.

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Post by mike_hearn »

3uler wrote: post #322
rolisz wrote: post #317

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Before they announced the Max plans, I could easily hit 10-15$ of API usage per day (without even being a heavy user). Since they announced that you can use the Pro subscription with Claude Code, I've been using it much more and I've never ever been rate limited.

This is what I don’t get about the cost being reported by Claude code. At work I use it against our AWS Bedrock instance, and most sessions will say 15/20 dollars and I’ll have multiple agents running. So I can easily spend 60 bucks a day in reported cost. Our AWS Bedrock bill is only a small fraction of that? Why would you over charge on direct usage of your API?

Anthropic has costs beyond their AWS bill ....

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Post by rafaelmn »

manquer wrote: post #255
asdev wrote: post #30

I never knew anyone who used Windsurf. These AI acquisitions have been unbelievable(in a bad way). WIX acquired some garbage Lovable.dev clone for 80 million. I think many of us are waiting for this bubble to pop(economy will likely pop too)

Everyone has a niche, Windsurf is the only large provider if you are a Jetbrains shop. There are some alternatives like continue.dev or Jetbrains own AI offering but no Cursor or Claude Code ( Sonnet 3.7/4) you can get through Jetbrains plugin or others, but Anthropic does not provide support same with cursor.

GitHub copilot now has agents in jetbrain (not sure about stable - my nightly does).

Jetbrains Junie is supposedly the same thing but no Rider and that's my current project so didn't get into that yet.

Windsurf was just disappointingly bad in intellij (like any other plugin I've tried so far)

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Post by imiric »

submeta wrote: post #426
imiric wrote: post #208

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I'm curious to see what you've built with all that extra productivity.

I work at a company with over 700 employees. And there are tons of use cases where a simple CRUD app is sufficient. Or where glue code needs to be written / changed for legacy systems. Or where an OS system like Camunda is deployed and needs to be configured, workflows developed, etc The reality of companies out there is much simpler than the challenges of a startup that needs to build systems that are state of the a…

Fair enough. There are valid use cases for vibe coding scripts and simple CRUD apps, which current AI tools are fairly competent at producing.

The thing is that those don't typically take weeks and months to build with conventional tooling. And I find it hard to believe that all you're doing is this type of integration work. But I suppose there are companies that need such roles.

> There are companies out there that make millions, in areas you‘ve never heard of, and their core business does not depend on software development best practices.

That is true.

I do think that this cowboy coding approach is doing these companies a disservice, especially where tech is not their main product. It's only creating more operational risk that on-call and support staff have to deal with, and producing more technical debt that some poor soul will inevitably have to resolve one day. That is, it all appears to work until one edge case out of thousands brings down the entire system. Which could all be mitigated, if not avoided, by taking the time to understand the system and by following standard software development processes, even if it does take longer to implement.

What you describe isn't new. This approach has existed long before the current wave of AI tooling. But AI tools make the problem worse by making it easier to ship code quickly without following any software development practices that ensure the software is robust and reliable.

So, it's great that you're enjoying these tools. But I would suggest you adopt a more measured approach and work closely with those senior and junior engineers, instead of feeling like a wizard from the future.

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Post by danielbln »

forrestthewoods wrote: post #299
imiric wrote: post #208

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I'm curious to see what you've built with all that extra productivity.

No one ever shares their great and shipped products. AI built slop is for generating hype not revenue or users.

Man, who sucked the joy out of your life. Just try the damn thing. I have the staunchest anti-hypsters in my org and even they are using these tools heavily now.

I build most of not all of my stuff for work, and I ain't sharing that.

It's no panacea, but is there something to be had there? Abso-fucking-lutley. All of this would have been complete scifi at the beginning of this decade.

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Post by danielbln »

shivenigma wrote: post #268
submeta wrote: post #105

I went from Emacs to VS Code, then to Cursor, next to Claude Code, which is so good that I feel like I am having half a dozen junior devs at my fingertips, 24/7. Since Claude Code is cli based, I reviewed my cli toolset: Migrated from iTerm2 to Ghostty and Tmux, from Cursor to NeoVim (my God is it good!). Just had a 14h workday with this tooling. It’s so good that I complete the work of weeks and months within days!…

> But I don’t review files that much anymore. Say no more.

I review PRs/commits, not files. Given the right cage to lock the agent inside, and guardrails built around, and conventions and guidelines, and agentic flows so it can pull in what's needed.. the need to look at every line and file during implementation is significantly lessened. So then I review the final output (which is a unit of work/task wrapped in a PR).

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Post by sschueller »

manquer wrote: post #255
asdev wrote: post #30

I never knew anyone who used Windsurf. These AI acquisitions have been unbelievable(in a bad way). WIX acquired some garbage Lovable.dev clone for 80 million. I think many of us are waiting for this bubble to pop(economy will likely pop too)

Everyone has a niche, Windsurf is the only large provider if you are a Jetbrains shop. There are some alternatives like continue.dev or Jetbrains own AI offering but no Cursor or Claude Code ( Sonnet 3.7/4) you can get through Jetbrains plugin or others, but Anthropic does not provide support same with cursor.

Jetbrain's Junie works incredibly well. I much prefer it over cursor's or continue's UI.
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