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OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by reasonableklout »

warmedcookie wrote: post #245
cpursley wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those wrappers are gonna go away now that there's Claude Code and Googles CLI thing. They are that much better.

Are they? Cursor's Accept / Reject feature for each change it makes in each file is nice whereas I have to use a diff tool to review the changes in Claude Code. Also, if I go down a prompt alley that's a dead end, Cursor has the Restore Checkpoint feature to get back to the original prompt and try a different path. With Claude Code, you had better have committed the code to git, otherwise you end up with a mess you d…

Gemini CLI uses a shadow git repo and commits after every change, won't be long before Claude Code has that too.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by sunaookami »

osigurdson wrote: post #327
extr wrote: post #56

IMO other than the Microsoft IP issue, I think the biggest thing that has shifted since this acquisition was first in the works is Claude Code has absolutely exploded. Forking an IDE and all the expense that comes with that feels like a waste of effort, considering the number of free/open source CLI agentic tools that are out there. Let's review the current state of things: - Terminal CLI agents are several orders of…

>> Claude Code has absolutely exploded Does anyone have a comparison between this and OpenAI Codex? I find OpenAI's thing really good actually (vastly better workflow that Windsurf). Maybe I am missing out however.

Codex CLI is very bad, it often struggles to even find the file and goes on a rampage inside the home directory trying to find the file and commenting on random folders. Using o3/o4-mini in Aider is decent though.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by samrus »

atakan_gurkan wrote: post #394
sebmellen wrote: post #291

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He blocked me (a relative nobody) on X for remarking on the number of people I know who’ve made it to YC on completely fraudulent credentials.

His reaction seems entirely appropriate. He could ignore you, but then you might keep replying to his posts and potentially spread incorrect but damaging information. He is losing close to zero by blocking you, but preventing a potential big loss. Why did you make that remark, if not to damage YC's reputation? This does not seem like the correct approach, if you wanted to improve their selection process.

> Why did you make that remark, if not to damage YC's reputation?

Seems harsh and cultish to assume malice. He didnt say you parents have false credentials

I would say calling out people and institutions like that is important so as to keep them honest, and if they arent honest and are trying to grift/defraud people then they deserve the reputation loss

> He is losing close to zero by blocking you, but preventing a potential big loss.

Thats great for gary, but the rest of the world isnt there waiting to be optimized for his benefit. If people trust YC to incubate good talent, but feel its becoming a hub for grifters, then some accountability is in order. Institutions are beholden to their public stakeholders, even private institutions, because they still have people who are using and supporting them

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by fnordpiglet »

alanmoraes wrote: post #61
extr wrote: post #56

IMO other than the Microsoft IP issue, I think the biggest thing that has shifted since this acquisition was first in the works is Claude Code has absolutely exploded. Forking an IDE and all the expense that comes with that feels like a waste of effort, considering the number of free/open source CLI agentic tools that are out there. Let's review the current state of things: - Terminal CLI agents are several orders of…

I never understood why those tools need to fork Visual Studio Code. Wouldn't an extension suffice?

I use Augment extensively and find it superior to cursor in every way - and operates as an extension. It has a really handy task planning interface and meta prompt refinement feature and the costs are remarkably low. The quality of output implantation is higher IMO and I don’t have to do a lot of model selection and don’t get Max model bill explosions. If there’s something Cursor provided that Augment doesn’t via extension it was not functionally useful enough to notice.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by sunaookami »

xnx wrote: post #237
apwell23 wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

no. CC is not just a cli. Its cli + their pro/max plan. gemini cli is very expensive.

Isn't Gemini CLI 1000 requests/day free? https://blog.google/technology/developers/introducing-gemini...

It's false advertising - 1000 model requests, not 1000 Gemini 2.5 Pro requests. It drops to Flash after 3-5 requests and Flash is useless.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by rpunkfu »

hedayet wrote: post #391

I was so surprised (or shocked) to hear that Windsurf was getting acquired for 3 billion dollars, I made an HN post asking about the truth of that news - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43933825 . HN's system didn't like my tone I guess and removed it, lol. But in any case, I just can't see how AI code editors like Windsurf or Cursor, without any proprietary model, can be valued at billions. What's the underlyin…

Similar thing to what we’ve witnessed with crypto coins. It’s AI season and those with money invest in it, pump it and will exit post IPO. Difference here is, that besides value that those products “hold”, it’s possible also to provide AI as a service, making Google / Microsoft etc interested.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by petesergeant »

lunarcave wrote: post #146
extr wrote: post #56

IMO other than the Microsoft IP issue, I think the biggest thing that has shifted since this acquisition was first in the works is Claude Code has absolutely exploded. Forking an IDE and all the expense that comes with that feels like a waste of effort, considering the number of free/open source CLI agentic tools that are out there. Let's review the current state of things: - Terminal CLI agents are several orders of…

Strictly speaking about large, complex, sprawling codebases, I don't think you can beat the experience that an IDE + coding agent brings with a terminal-based coding agent. Auto-regressive nature of these things mean that errors accumulate, and IDEs are well placed to give that observability to the human, than a coding agent. I can course correct more easily in an IDE with clear diffs, coding navigation, than followi…

> I don't think you can beat the experience that an IDE + coding agent brings with a terminal-based coding agent.

I resisted moving from Roo in VS Code to CC for this reason, and then tried it for a day, and didn't go back.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by N3cr0ph4g1st »

satvikpendem wrote: post #121
extr wrote: post #56

IMO other than the Microsoft IP issue, I think the biggest thing that has shifted since this acquisition was first in the works is Claude Code has absolutely exploded. Forking an IDE and all the expense that comes with that feels like a waste of effort, considering the number of free/open source CLI agentic tools that are out there. Let's review the current state of things: - Terminal CLI agents are several orders of…

> What does Cursor/Windsurf offer over VS Code + CC? Cursor's @Docs is still unparalleled and no MCP server for documentation fetching even comes close. That is the only reason why I still use Cursor, sometimes I have esoteric packages that must be used in my code and other IDEs will simply hallucinate due to not having such a robust docs feature, if any, which is useless to me, and I believe Claude Code also falls i…

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Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by tsimionescu »

0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #393
tsimionescu wrote: post #388

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really, it's possible with any market economy, even a hypothetical socialist one (that is, one where all market actors are worker-owned co-ops). And, since there is no global super-state, the world economy is a market economy, so even if every state were a state-owned planned economy, North Korea style, still there would exist this type of competition between states.

I mean, if you wanna get technical, many companies in Silicon Valley are worker-owned (equity compensation)

They are not worker owned, they have some small amount of worker ownership. But the majority of stock is never owned by workers, other than the CEO.
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