Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

theverge.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

321–330 of 712 posts

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

#321

Post by csomar »

teruakohatu wrote: post #148
adamoshadjivas wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed on everything. Just to add, not only anthropic is offering CC at like a 500% loss, they restricted sonnet/opus 4 access to windsurf, and jacked up their enterprise deal to Cursor. The increase in price was so big that it forced cursor to make that disastrous downgrade to their plans. I think only way Cursor and other UX wrappers still win is if on device models or at least open source models catch up in the ne…

> CC at like a 500% loss Do you have a citation for this? It might be at a loss, but I don’t think it is that extravagant.

The way I am doing the math with my Max subscription and assuming DeepSeek API prices, it is still x5 times cheaper. So either DeepSeek is losing money (unlikely) or Anthropic is losing lots of money (more likely). Grok kinda confirms my suspicions. Assuming DeepSeek prices, I've probably spent north of $100 of Grok compute. I didn't pay Grok or Twitter a single cent. $100 is a lot of loss for a single user.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

#322

Post by 3uler »

rolisz wrote: post #317
teruakohatu wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> CC at like a 500% loss Do you have a citation for this? It might be at a loss, but I don’t think it is that extravagant.

Before they announced the Max plans, I could easily hit 10-15$ of API usage per day (without even being a heavy user). Since they announced that you can use the Pro subscription with Claude Code, I've been using it much more and I've never ever been rate limited.

This is what I don’t get about the cost being reported by Claude code. At work I use it against our AWS Bedrock instance, and most sessions will say 15/20 dollars and I’ll have multiple agents running. So I can easily spend 60 bucks a day in reported cost. Our AWS Bedrock bill is only a small fraction of that? Why would you over charge on direct usage of your API?

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

#323

Post by cavisne »

gowld wrote: post #68
ipsum2 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really true, I believe the "acquiring" (i.e. Google) company buys some equity from the employees (windsurf). Edit: the people downvoting this clearly can't read, I made the exact same point as jonny_eh.

The acquisition of Windsurf was cancelled.

Instead they are paying 2.4B to "license" windsurfs IP. Still a loss vs OpenAI but at least the employees will get cash not openai stock.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

#324

Post by mat_b »

rapind wrote: post #110
druskacik wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd like to ask the opposite question: why do people prefer command line tools? I tried both and I prefer working in IDE. The main reason is that I don't trust the LLMs too much and I like to see and potentially quickly edit the changes they make. With an IDE, I can iterate much faster than with the command line tool. I haven't tried Claude Code VS Code extension. Did anyone replaced Cursor with this setup?

You're looking at (coloured) diffs in your shell is all when it comes to coding. It's pretty easy to setup MCP and have claude be the director. Like I have zen MCP running with an OpenRouter API key, and will ask claude to consult with pro (gemini) or o3, or both to come up with an architecture review / plan. I honestly don't know how great that is, because it just reiterates what I was planning anyways, and I can't…

I also use vim heavily and I've found that I'm really enjoying Cursor + VS Code Vim extension. The cursor tab completion works very nicely in conjunction with vim navigate mode.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

#325

Post by insane_dreamer »

druskacik wrote: post #98
libraryofbabel wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some excellent points. On “add selection to chat”, I just want to add that the Claude Code VS code extension automatically passes the current selection to the model. :) I am genuinely curious if any Cursor or Windsurf users who have also tried Claude Code could speak to why they prefer the IDE-fork tools? I’ve only ever used Claude Code myself - what am I missing?

I'd like to ask the opposite question: why do people prefer command line tools? I tried both and I prefer working in IDE. The main reason is that I don't trust the LLMs too much and I like to see and potentially quickly edit the changes they make. With an IDE, I can iterate much faster than with the command line tool. I haven't tried Claude Code VS Code extension. Did anyone replaced Cursor with this setup?

JetBrains has CC integration where CC runs in a terminal window but uses the IDE (i.e., Pycharm) for diffing. Works well.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

#326

Post by dwohnitmok »

resonious wrote: post #242
jhickok wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you give me an idea of how much interaction would be $50-$100 per day? Like are you pretty constantly in a back and forth with CC? And if you wouldn’t mind, any chance you can give me an idea of productivity gains pre/post LLM?

Re productivity gains, CC allows me to code during my commute time. Even on a crowded bus/train I can get real work done just with my phone.

How do you use Claude Code via your phone?

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

#327

Post by osigurdson »

extr wrote: post #56

IMO other than the Microsoft IP issue, I think the biggest thing that has shifted since this acquisition was first in the works is Claude Code has absolutely exploded. Forking an IDE and all the expense that comes with that feels like a waste of effort, considering the number of free/open source CLI agentic tools that are out there. Let's review the current state of things: - Terminal CLI agents are several orders of…

>> Claude Code has absolutely exploded

Does anyone have a comparison between this and OpenAI Codex? I find OpenAI's thing really good actually (vastly better workflow that Windsurf). Maybe I am missing out however.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

#328

Post by iammrpayments »

asdev wrote: post #30

I never knew anyone who used Windsurf. These AI acquisitions have been unbelievable(in a bad way). WIX acquired some garbage Lovable.dev clone for 80 million. I think many of us are waiting for this bubble to pop(economy will likely pop too)

The first time they hit the news, I’ve tried to open their website to see what it was all about and it froze my phone lol

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

#329

Post by manquer »

agnokapathetic wrote: post #285
manquer wrote: post #255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone has a niche, Windsurf is the only large provider if you are a Jetbrains shop. There are some alternatives like continue.dev or Jetbrains own AI offering but no Cursor or Claude Code ( Sonnet 3.7/4) you can get through Jetbrains plugin or others, but Anthropic does not provide support same with cursor.

claude code has a Jetbrains plugin which is delightful!

Seems a recent launch in beta just in June .

Thanks for the share !

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

#330

Post by handfuloflight »

rileymichael wrote: post #165
submeta wrote: post #105

I went from Emacs to VS Code, then to Cursor, next to Claude Code, which is so good that I feel like I am having half a dozen junior devs at my fingertips, 24/7. Since Claude Code is cli based, I reviewed my cli toolset: Migrated from iTerm2 to Ghostty and Tmux, from Cursor to NeoVim (my God is it good!). Just had a 14h workday with this tooling. It’s so good that I complete the work of weeks and months within days!…

> It’s so good that I complete the work of weeks and months within days and yet you're pulling 14 hour workdays..

That doesn't negate that he is compressing his backlog.
Post reply on HN