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OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by neoecos »

asdev wrote: post #109
extr wrote: post #56

IMO other than the Microsoft IP issue, I think the biggest thing that has shifted since this acquisition was first in the works is Claude Code has absolutely exploded. Forking an IDE and all the expense that comes with that feels like a waste of effort, considering the number of free/open source CLI agentic tools that are out there. Let's review the current state of things: - Terminal CLI agents are several orders of…

for those who seldom use the terminal, is Claude Code still usable? I heard it doesn't do tab autocomplete in IDE like Cursor

I think lots of issues with the integration of CC or other TUI with graphical IDEs will be solved with stuff like the Agentic Coding Protocol that the guys at Zed at working on https://www.npmjs.com/package/@zed-industries/agentic-coding...

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by Unearned5161 »

warmedcookie wrote: post #245
cpursley wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those wrappers are gonna go away now that there's Claude Code and Googles CLI thing. They are that much better.

Are they? Cursor's Accept / Reject feature for each change it makes in each file is nice whereas I have to use a diff tool to review the changes in Claude Code. Also, if I go down a prompt alley that's a dead end, Cursor has the Restore Checkpoint feature to get back to the original prompt and try a different path. With Claude Code, you had better have committed the code to git, otherwise you end up with a mess you d…

I got burned too many times from that Restore Checkpoint thing not working right, maybe it's been fixed by now but seems silly to rely on something thats not a literal tool built for the job (version control), not a good shortcut.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by arresin »

satvikpendem wrote: post #121
extr wrote: post #56

IMO other than the Microsoft IP issue, I think the biggest thing that has shifted since this acquisition was first in the works is Claude Code has absolutely exploded. Forking an IDE and all the expense that comes with that feels like a waste of effort, considering the number of free/open source CLI agentic tools that are out there. Let's review the current state of things: - Terminal CLI agents are several orders of…

> What does Cursor/Windsurf offer over VS Code + CC? Cursor's @Docs is still unparalleled and no MCP server for documentation fetching even comes close. That is the only reason why I still use Cursor, sometimes I have esoteric packages that must be used in my code and other IDEs will simply hallucinate due to not having such a robust docs feature, if any, which is useless to me, and I believe Claude Code also falls i…

> Cursor's @Docs is still unparalleled and no MCP server for documentation

I strongly disagree. It will put the wrong doc snippets into context 99% of the time. If the docs are slightly long then forget it, it’ll be even worse.

I never use it because of this.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by npinsker »

ashraymalhotra wrote: post #151
davidclark wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this $900M ARR a reliable number? Their base is $20/mth. That would equal 3.75M people paying a sub to Cursor. If literally everyone is on their $200/mth plan, then that would be 375K paid users. There’s 50M VS Code + VS users (May 2025). [1] 7% of all VS Code users having switched to Cursor does not match my personal circle of developers. 0.7% . . . Maybe? But, that would be if everyone using Cursor were paying $…

Maybe the OP got confused with Cursor's $900mil raise? https://cursor.com/blog/series-c Last disclosed revenue from Cursor was $500mil. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-06-05/anysphere...

It’s probably due to the top comment citing that number

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by arrosenberg »

sashank_1509 wrote: post #168

So the result of aggressively scrutinizing big tech acquisitions is acquihires, not a more competitive tech ecosystem with say more IPO’s. The libertarian spin on this would be government should have never scrutinized acquisitions and the result is just worse for everyone. The progressive spin would be to now ban acquihires somehow, and then whatever new legal invention will be created next. I can imagine the next st…

The culture of the people involved got us to this point, I’m not sure it’s the solution to the problem.

> The progressive spin would be to now ban acquihires somehow, and then whatever new legal invention will be created next.

Progressive has become a moving target, but the pro-competition view would be to break up the massively concentrated companies that are further consolidating markets. Thats what the Khan FTC was trying to do, but we need a Congress interested in a competitive marketplace, which we haven’t had in a while.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by mr_toad »

submeta wrote: post #105

I went from Emacs to VS Code, then to Cursor, next to Claude Code, which is so good that I feel like I am having half a dozen junior devs at my fingertips, 24/7. Since Claude Code is cli based, I reviewed my cli toolset: Migrated from iTerm2 to Ghostty and Tmux, from Cursor to NeoVim (my God is it good!). Just had a 14h workday with this tooling. It’s so good that I complete the work of weeks and months within days!…

IDEs were a crutch, and now that crutch has been replaced by a semi-autonomous bot that can fetch and carry.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by ec109685 »

bmau5 wrote: post #117
dalemhurley wrote: post #59

Cursor (and Garry Tan’s X post) has shown us that the VC money is propping up these companies astounding growth, the only way for them to become profitable is to increase the cost per a request, which means they need to innovate like crazy. The moat is paper thin. GitHub has open sourced copilot. The open source community is working hard on their own projects. No doubt Cursor is moving fast to create amazing innovati…

What was Garry's post?

https://x.com/garrytan/status/1941553682736439307

The thesis is that once you’re paying $200 a month, you’re beholden and won’t pay and compare it with anything else.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by arresin »

neoecos wrote: post #271
asdev wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

for those who seldom use the terminal, is Claude Code still usable? I heard it doesn't do tab autocomplete in IDE like Cursor

I think lots of issues with the integration of CC or other TUI with graphical IDEs will be solved with stuff like the Agentic Coding Protocol that the guys at Zed at working on https://www.npmjs.com/package/@zed-industries/agentic-coding...

I trust zed to get it right over cursor with their continual enshittification.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by satvikpendem »

arresin wrote: post #273
satvikpendem wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What does Cursor/Windsurf offer over VS Code + CC? Cursor's @Docs is still unparalleled and no MCP server for documentation fetching even comes close. That is the only reason why I still use Cursor, sometimes I have esoteric packages that must be used in my code and other IDEs will simply hallucinate due to not having such a robust docs feature, if any, which is useless to me, and I believe Claude Code also falls i…

> Cursor's @Docs is still unparalleled and no MCP server for documentation I strongly disagree. It will put the wrong doc snippets into context 99% of the time. If the docs are slightly long then forget it, it’ll be even worse. I never use it because of this.

What packages do you use it for? I honestly never had that issue, it's very good in my use cases to find some specific function to call or to figure out some specific syntax.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by ec109685 »

ashraymalhotra wrote: post #174

Just curious - would this negatively affect OpenAI's ability to acquire companies in the future?

They have got get their act together from a structure standpoint or these types of acquisitions are going keep failing.
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