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OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by cellis »

asdev wrote: post #106
cellis wrote: post #60

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Base44 is absolutely not garbage. I’ve tried it and can say it’s as good or better of a vibe-builder than Lovable or Bolt. Have you benchmarked it against the competition or can you otherwise substantiate the “garbage” claim? FWIW I do know one amazing engineer using Windsurf

all those projects are garbage and just create half bake prototypes that never see the light of day

Agree in principle, but when evaluated against the competition and likely acquisition targets of Wix, it's certainly not garbage. I've seen it vibe code an entire app that was -- admittedly mostly working -- and deploy it with a prompt of 5 words, in about 2 minutes.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by resonious »

jhickok wrote: post #228
e1g wrote: post #183

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Yes, my CC usage is regularly $50-$100 per day , so their Max plan is absolutely great value that I don’t expect to last.

Can you give me an idea of how much interaction would be $50-$100 per day? Like are you pretty constantly in a back and forth with CC? And if you wouldn’t mind, any chance you can give me an idea of productivity gains pre/post LLM?

Re productivity gains, CC allows me to code during my commute time. Even on a crowded bus/train I can get real work done just with my phone.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by e1g »

jhickok wrote: post #228
e1g wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, my CC usage is regularly $50-$100 per day , so their Max plan is absolutely great value that I don’t expect to last.

Can you give me an idea of how much interaction would be $50-$100 per day? Like are you pretty constantly in a back and forth with CC? And if you wouldn’t mind, any chance you can give me an idea of productivity gains pre/post LLM?

Yes, a lot of usage, I’d guess top 10% among my peers. I do 6-10hrs of constant iterating across mid-size codebases of 750k tokens. CC is set to use Opus by default, which further drives up costs.

Estimating productivity gains is a flame war I don’t want to start, but as a signal: if the CC Max plan goes up 10x in price, I’m still keeping my subscription.

I maintain top-tier subscription to every frontier service (~$1k/mo) and throughout the week spend multiple hours with each of Cursor, Amp, Augment, Windsurf, Codex CLI, Gemini CLI, but keep on defaulting to Claude Code.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by warmedcookie »

cpursley wrote: post #7
rvnx wrote: post #4

Windsurf and Cursor are in the business of reselling ChatGPT and Claude at a loss, but the tech itself is not impressive at all

Those wrappers are gonna go away now that there's Claude Code and Googles CLI thing. They are that much better.

Are they?

Cursor's Accept / Reject feature for each change it makes in each file is nice whereas I have to use a diff tool to review the changes in Claude Code.

Also, if I go down a prompt alley that's a dead end, Cursor has the Restore Checkpoint feature to get back to the original prompt and try a different path. With Claude Code, you had better have committed the code to git, otherwise you end up with a mess you didn't want.

My company pays for both, but I mostly use Cursor unless I know I am doing a new project or some proof of concept, which Claude Code might have an edge on with a more mature TODO list feature.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by yieldcrv »

herval wrote: post #235
woeirua wrote: post #154

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There is no moat. If you’re a true believer that strong agents are around the corner, then all of these add on companies will be obsolete in a few years. The first company to strong agents can trivially rebuild Cursor or Windsurf.

If you believe AGI is around the corner, doesn’t it mean it’ll replace ALL products?

So grifting for investor cash and revenue right now is the obvious play either way

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Post by brendoelfrendo »

resonious wrote: post #242
jhickok wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you give me an idea of how much interaction would be $50-$100 per day? Like are you pretty constantly in a back and forth with CC? And if you wouldn’t mind, any chance you can give me an idea of productivity gains pre/post LLM?

Re productivity gains, CC allows me to code during my commute time. Even on a crowded bus/train I can get real work done just with my phone.

Unless you're getting paid for your commute, you're just giving your employer free productivity. I would recommend doing literally anything else with that time. Read a book, maybe.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by ReaLNero »

resonious wrote: post #242
jhickok wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you give me an idea of how much interaction would be $50-$100 per day? Like are you pretty constantly in a back and forth with CC? And if you wouldn’t mind, any chance you can give me an idea of productivity gains pre/post LLM?

Re productivity gains, CC allows me to code during my commute time. Even on a crowded bus/train I can get real work done just with my phone.

What's your workflow if I may ask? I've been interested in the idea as well.

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Post by fooster »

asdev wrote: post #129
virgildotcodes wrote: post #113

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Claude Code is totally different paradigm. You don't edit your files directly so there is no tab autocomplete. It's a chat session. There are IDE integrations where you can run it in a terminal session while perusing the files through your IDE, but it's not powering any autocomplete there AFAIK.

are people viewing file diffs in the terminal? surely people aren't just vibing code changes in

I just accept all and review in my editor.
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