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OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by jen729w »

rileymichael wrote: post #165
submeta wrote: post #105

I went from Emacs to VS Code, then to Cursor, next to Claude Code, which is so good that I feel like I am having half a dozen junior devs at my fingertips, 24/7. Since Claude Code is cli based, I reviewed my cli toolset: Migrated from iTerm2 to Ghostty and Tmux, from Cursor to NeoVim (my God is it good!). Just had a 14h workday with this tooling. It’s so good that I complete the work of weeks and months within days!…

> It’s so good that I complete the work of weeks and months within days and yet you're pulling 14 hour workdays..

Well you can't risk Claude quitting overnight. It forgets everything it did the day before and now you have to start over ... must ... finish ... tonight ... within ... context ... window.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by blindriver »

The founders fucked over the employees and the investors and sold out. I guess they don’t care if they are worth $200M each but they fucked every employee that poured their heart out into that company.

I hope no one works for them again.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by yoz-y »

didibus wrote: post #147
submeta wrote: post #105

I went from Emacs to VS Code, then to Cursor, next to Claude Code, which is so good that I feel like I am having half a dozen junior devs at my fingertips, 24/7. Since Claude Code is cli based, I reviewed my cli toolset: Migrated from iTerm2 to Ghostty and Tmux, from Cursor to NeoVim (my God is it good!). Just had a 14h workday with this tooling. It’s so good that I complete the work of weeks and months within days!…

> I don’t review files that much anymore You don't review the code? Just test it works?

At work we’re encouraged to use AI, so I do. For me the one thing that works well is using it to write one off scripts that do stuff and would be a chore to write.

Usually in 2-3 prompts I can get a python or shell script that reads some file list somewhere, reads some json/csv elsewhere. Combines it in various ways and spits out some output to be ingested by some other pipeline.

I just test this code if it works it’s good.

Never in my life would I put this in a critical system though. When I review these files they are full of tiny errors that would blow up in spectacular manner if the input was slightly off somewhere.

It’s good for what it is. But I’m honestly afraid of production code being vibe coded by these tools.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by agd »

sashank_1509 wrote: post #168

So the result of aggressively scrutinizing big tech acquisitions is acquihires, not a more competitive tech ecosystem with say more IPO’s. The libertarian spin on this would be government should have never scrutinized acquisitions and the result is just worse for everyone. The progressive spin would be to now ban acquihires somehow, and then whatever new legal invention will be created next. I can imagine the next st…

This wasn't a result of regulator scrutiny. The issue was that MS (owner of Copilot) was demanding access to the IP (due to their existing agreement with OpenAI), and OpenAI was resisting. In addition, Claude blocked access to Windsurf, which also damaged them as an acquisition target.

Nothing to do with regulators.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by aeve890 »

TechDebtDevin wrote: post #170
dalemhurley wrote: post #59

Cursor (and Garry Tan’s X post) has shown us that the VC money is propping up these companies astounding growth, the only way for them to become profitable is to increase the cost per a request, which means they need to innovate like crazy. The moat is paper thin. GitHub has open sourced copilot. The open source community is working hard on their own projects. No doubt Cursor is moving fast to create amazing innovati…

Cursor just committed mass consumer fraud at worst, and at best pissed off all their best customers. I feel really sorry for those who invested at a 9bb valuation.

>Cursor just committed mass consumer fraud at worst, and at best pissed off all their best customers.

What happened?

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by SamDc73 »

apwell23 wrote: post #181
xnx wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is the case for using Claude Code much weaker now that Gemini CLI is out?

no. CC is not just a cli. Its cli + their pro/max plan. gemini cli is very expensive.

They do have a subscription: it's $22/month, but the whole pricing and instructions is very confusing, it took me 15 min to figure it all out.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by SamDc73 »

nsonha wrote: post #175
Aeolun wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Anthropic just came out and yolo'd the context window because they could afford to I don’t think this is true at all. The reason CC is so good is that they’re very deliberate about what goes in the context. CC often spends ages reading 5 LOC snippets, but afterwards it only has relevant stuff in context.

Heard a lot of this context bs parroted all over HN, don't buy it. If simply increasing context size can solve problem, Gemini would be the best model for everything.

Gemini tends to be better at bug hunting, but yes everything else Claude is still superior

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by SamDc73 »

When Claude kind of cut them off, they realized these AI Agentic tools are as good as your model, little to no moat here.

And it was a crazy deal to begin with, for reference JetBrains who's building IDEs for 24 years are evaluated at $7 billions

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by screye »

Works out for Google and the C-suite. Horrible for the employees. These fake-acquisitions are effectively arbitrage against employees, who get left holding nothing. Should be illegal and regulated.

Not sure how the VCs get their cut. I'm guessing that Google can balance it out by participating in rounds for other startups in that VC's porfolio.

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