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OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by tlogan »

lsllc wrote: post #133
pydry wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This might be the beginning of the end of tech VC startups in general. High interest rates make VC funding more expensive and now bigtech can swoop in, poach all the necessary staff and deprive investors of an exit. What is the point any more?

Isn't there not some contractual agreement between the VCs and the founders? (I understand that a non-compete might not apply [in CA], but taking VC money is a little different that simply getting hired). Were I a Windsurf investor, I'd be pissed right now and calling my lawyer.

The low level employees are screwed. Basically they lost their job. Not cool.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by nilslice »

rileymichael wrote: post #165
submeta wrote: post #105

I went from Emacs to VS Code, then to Cursor, next to Claude Code, which is so good that I feel like I am having half a dozen junior devs at my fingertips, 24/7. Since Claude Code is cli based, I reviewed my cli toolset: Migrated from iTerm2 to Ghostty and Tmux, from Cursor to NeoVim (my God is it good!). Just had a 14h workday with this tooling. It’s so good that I complete the work of weeks and months within days!…

> It’s so good that I complete the work of weeks and months within days and yet you're pulling 14 hour workdays..

i get it... i find the productivity is extremely addictive

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by harikb »

resonious wrote: post #159
teruakohatu wrote: post #148

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> CC at like a 500% loss Do you have a citation for this? It might be at a loss, but I don’t think it is that extravagant.

I'm also curious about this. Claude Code feels very expensive to me, but at the same time I don't have much perspective (nothing to compare it to, really, other than Codex or other agent editors I guess. And CC is way better so likely worth the extra money anyway)

I think GP is talking about Claude Code Max 100 & 200 plans. They are very reasonable compared to anything else that has per-use token usage.

I am on Max and I can work 5 hrs+ a day easily. It does fall back to Sonnet pretty fast, but I don't seem to notice any big differece.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by nsonha »

Aeolun wrote: post #163
nikcub wrote: post #79

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Cursor see it coming - it's why they're moving to the web and mobile[0] The bigger issue is the advantage Anthropic, Google and OpenAI have in developing and deploying their own models. It wasn't that long ago that Cursor was reading 50 lines of code at a time to save on token costs. Anthropic just came out and yolo'd the context window because they could afford to, and it blew everything else away. Cursor could rele…

> Anthropic just came out and yolo'd the context window because they could afford to I don’t think this is true at all. The reason CC is so good is that they’re very deliberate about what goes in the context. CC often spends ages reading 5 LOC snippets, but afterwards it only has relevant stuff in context.

Heard a lot of this context bs parroted all over HN, don't buy it. If simply increasing context size can solve problem, Gemini would be the best model for everything.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by tlogan »

quantified wrote: post #114
tlogan wrote: post #112

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I’m honestly just surprised that the CEO and co-founder decided to walk away from the company and leave behind all these employees he was leading. Especially considering many of them probably joined for lower pay, hoping for a big upside. Maybe there’s more to the story.

When you want to make a big impact for a big payday, why would this surprise you? Gentle reminder that more startups die by suicide than homicide, and that an early-stage startup is a total crapshoot.

Yes, startups are always a bit of a gamble, but this feels like a captain abandoning ship while it’s still full of sailors (many of whom have families depending on them).

This really is a whole new level of getting screwed.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by lozenge »

alanmoraes wrote: post #61
extr wrote: post #56

IMO other than the Microsoft IP issue, I think the biggest thing that has shifted since this acquisition was first in the works is Claude Code has absolutely exploded. Forking an IDE and all the expense that comes with that feels like a waste of effort, considering the number of free/open source CLI agentic tools that are out there. Let's review the current state of things: - Terminal CLI agents are several orders of…

I never understood why those tools need to fork Visual Studio Code. Wouldn't an extension suffice?

When the Copilot extension needs a new VS Code feature it gets added, but it isn't available to third party extensions until months later... Err, years later... well, whenever Microsoft feels like it.

So an extension will never be able to compete with Copilot.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by apwell23 »

extr wrote: post #56

IMO other than the Microsoft IP issue, I think the biggest thing that has shifted since this acquisition was first in the works is Claude Code has absolutely exploded. Forking an IDE and all the expense that comes with that feels like a waste of effort, considering the number of free/open source CLI agentic tools that are out there. Let's review the current state of things: - Terminal CLI agents are several orders of…

thats not a fair comparision CC is

agentic tool + anthropic subsidized pricing.

Second part is why it has "exploded"

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by nsonha »

mh- wrote: post #167
extr wrote: post #136

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#1 improvement for VS Code users is giving the agent MCP tools to get diagnostics from the editor LSPs. Saves a tremendous amount of time having the agent run and rerun linting commands.

This is a great point. Now I'm wondering if there's a way to get LSPs going with the terminal/TUI interface.

opencode has that

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by kolja005 »

Funny to see this today.

I'm a rank and file dev at a non-big tech company and I got a call from a Windsurf sales rep this week who I had connected with on LinkedIn the day before (I never gave them my number). They told me my company was in talks with Windsurf about a licensing deal but that they would give me a 30 day trial of an enterprise account for use on personal projects to let me try it in advance. I guess the idea for them is to build enthusiasm among devs in the company?

Is this a standard sales strategy for products like this? It seems pretty aggressive to me but I'm just an engineer so I wouldn't know.

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