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OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by satvikpendem »

extr wrote: post #56

IMO other than the Microsoft IP issue, I think the biggest thing that has shifted since this acquisition was first in the works is Claude Code has absolutely exploded. Forking an IDE and all the expense that comes with that feels like a waste of effort, considering the number of free/open source CLI agentic tools that are out there. Let's review the current state of things: - Terminal CLI agents are several orders of…

> What does Cursor/Windsurf offer over VS Code + CC?

Cursor's @Docs is still unparalleled and no MCP server for documentation fetching even comes close. That is the only reason why I still use Cursor, sometimes I have esoteric packages that must be used in my code and other IDEs will simply hallucinate due to not having such a robust docs feature, if any, which is useless to me, and I believe Claude Code also falls into that bucket.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by bhl »

jongjong wrote: post #74
bhl wrote: post #43

I don't know anyone who heard or used Windsurf outside the Bay Area. Even Cursor feels very Bay Area bubbly (although that is the market to go after if you're in ai dev tools).

Cursor does add value but it's just a thin layer on top of VSCode so companies could just build that in-house and don't need to acquire. There's no moat there.

Cursor has custom tab and embedding models. And has a lot of distribution / paying users already.

Arguably they have the strongest product moat, and I wouldn’t be surprised if they beat OpenAI in a vertical coding model from that. Easy for them to have users generate evals and have model product feedback loop here.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by conradkay »

extr wrote: post #87
libraryofbabel wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some excellent points. On “add selection to chat”, I just want to add that the Claude Code VS code extension automatically passes the current selection to the model. :) I am genuinely curious if any Cursor or Windsurf users who have also tried Claude Code could speak to why they prefer the IDE-fork tools? I’ve only ever used Claude Code myself - what am I missing?

Cursor's tab completion model is legitimately fantastic and for many people is worth the entire $20 subscription. Lint fixes or syntax-level refactors are guessed and executed instantly with TAB with close to 100% accuracy. This is their final moat IMO, if Copilot manages to bring their tab completion up to near parity, very little reason to use Cursor.

https://forum.cursor.com/t/i-made-59-699-lines-of-agent-edit...>

It's quite interesting how little the Cursor power users use tab. Majority of the posts are some insane number of agent edits and close to (or exactly) 0 tabs.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by olejorgenb »

extr wrote: post #87
libraryofbabel wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some excellent points. On “add selection to chat”, I just want to add that the Claude Code VS code extension automatically passes the current selection to the model. :) I am genuinely curious if any Cursor or Windsurf users who have also tried Claude Code could speak to why they prefer the IDE-fork tools? I’ve only ever used Claude Code myself - what am I missing?

Cursor's tab completion model is legitimately fantastic and for many people is worth the entire $20 subscription. Lint fixes or syntax-level refactors are guessed and executed instantly with TAB with close to 100% accuracy. This is their final moat IMO, if Copilot manages to bring their tab completion up to near parity, very little reason to use Cursor.

Idk. When you're doing something it really gets it's super nice, but it's also off a lot of times and it's IMO super distracting when it constantly pop up. No way to explicitly request it instead - other than toggling, which seems to also turn off context/edit tracking, because after toggling on it does not suggest anything until you make some edits.

While Zed's model is not as good the UI is so much better IMO.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by taytus »

cpursley wrote: post #7
rvnx wrote: post #4

Windsurf and Cursor are in the business of reselling ChatGPT and Claude at a loss, but the tech itself is not impressive at all

Those wrappers are gonna go away now that there's Claude Code and Googles CLI thing. They are that much better.

I agree. I use claude desktop with MCP and Gemini CLI exclusively. I have 20+ years of writing code, and this is awesome!

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by asdev »

virgildotcodes wrote: post #113
asdev wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

for those who seldom use the terminal, is Claude Code still usable? I heard it doesn't do tab autocomplete in IDE like Cursor

Claude Code is totally different paradigm. You don't edit your files directly so there is no tab autocomplete. It's a chat session. There are IDE integrations where you can run it in a terminal session while perusing the files through your IDE, but it's not powering any autocomplete there AFAIK.

are people viewing file diffs in the terminal? surely people aren't just vibing code changes in

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by conradkay »

extr wrote: post #95
ripberge wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Forking an IDE is not expensive if it's the core product of a company with a $900M ARR. I doubt MS has ever made $900M off of VS Code.

"The same editor you already use for free, but with slightly nicer UI for some AI stuff" is not a $900M ARR product.

$900m in revenue is easy if you're selling a dollar for <$1. Feels like that's what cursor's $20/m "unlimited" plan is
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