Could anyone explain the implications of this for Windsurf as a company?
Are they going to close?
OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google
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Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google
#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
AI has nothing in common with crypto other than it being hyped a lot. The better comparison is the dot-com bubble.
> AI has nothing in common with crypto other than it being hyped a lot. Don’t forget all the GPUs. Nvidia always gets its cut.
How did I forget about the GPUs! I have made a grave mistake, please forgive me.
Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google
#93IMO other than the Microsoft IP issue, I think the biggest thing that has shifted since this acquisition was first in the works is Claude Code has absolutely exploded. Forking an IDE and all the expense that comes with that feels like a waste of effort, considering the number of free/open source CLI agentic tools that are out there. Let's review the current state of things: - Terminal CLI agents are several orders of…
Forking an IDE is not expensive if it's the core product of a company with a $900M ARR.
I doubt MS has ever made $900M off of VS Code.
Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google
#94OpenAI needs to up their game on Codex to be on par with Claude Code. o3 is a better planner relative to Opus.
Where do you think Codex lags behind Claude Code?
Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google
#95IMO other than the Microsoft IP issue, I think the biggest thing that has shifted since this acquisition was first in the works is Claude Code has absolutely exploded. Forking an IDE and all the expense that comes with that feels like a waste of effort, considering the number of free/open source CLI agentic tools that are out there. Let's review the current state of things: - Terminal CLI agents are several orders of…
Forking an IDE is not expensive if it's the core product of a company with a $900M ARR. I doubt MS has ever made $900M off of VS Code.
"The same editor you already use for free, but with slightly nicer UI for some AI stuff" is not a $900M ARR product.
Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google
#96For the love of God, can we get a reboot of the Silicon Valley television show? Just on AI. Like when they wrapped it, they wrapped it on AI usage. So, it's got the perfect arc for a reboot that focuses perfectly on AI.
Even the original Silicon Valley didn’t match the zaniness of real life. Why do we need a reboot? Just check HN!
Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google
#97IMO other than the Microsoft IP issue, I think the biggest thing that has shifted since this acquisition was first in the works is Claude Code has absolutely exploded. Forking an IDE and all the expense that comes with that feels like a waste of effort, considering the number of free/open source CLI agentic tools that are out there. Let's review the current state of things: - Terminal CLI agents are several orders of…
Cursor see it coming - it's why they're moving to the web and mobile[0] The bigger issue is the advantage Anthropic, Google and OpenAI have in developing and deploying their own models. It wasn't that long ago that Cursor was reading 50 lines of code at a time to save on token costs. Anthropic just came out and yolo'd the context window because they could afford to, and it blew everything else away. Cursor could rele…
I think this is an interesting and cool direction for Cursor to be going in and I don't doubt something like this is the future. But I have my doubts whether it will save them in the short/medium term:
- AI is not good enough yet to abandon the traditional IDE experierence if you're doing anything non-trivial. Hard finding use cases for this right now.
- There's no moat here. There are already a dozen "Claude Code UI" OSS projects with similar basic functionality.
Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google
#98IMO other than the Microsoft IP issue, I think the biggest thing that has shifted since this acquisition was first in the works is Claude Code has absolutely exploded. Forking an IDE and all the expense that comes with that feels like a waste of effort, considering the number of free/open source CLI agentic tools that are out there. Let's review the current state of things: - Terminal CLI agents are several orders of…
Some excellent points. On “add selection to chat”, I just want to add that the Claude Code VS code extension automatically passes the current selection to the model. :) I am genuinely curious if any Cursor or Windsurf users who have also tried Claude Code could speak to why they prefer the IDE-fork tools? I’ve only ever used Claude Code myself - what am I missing?
I'd like to ask the opposite question: why do people prefer command line tools? I tried both and I prefer working in IDE. The main reason is that I don't trust the LLMs too much and I like to see and potentially quickly edit the changes they make. With an IDE, I can iterate much faster than with the command line tool.
I haven't tried Claude Code VS Code extension. Did anyone replaced Cursor with this setup?
Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google
#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
As far as I can tell, terminal agents are inferior to hosted agents in sandboxed/imaged environments when it comes to concurrent execution and far inferior to assisted ide in terms of UX so what exactly is the point?. The "UI niceties" is the whole point of using cursor and somehow, everyone else sucks at it.
You’re missing the point tho. The point of the cli agent is that it’s a building block to put this thing everywhere. Look at CCs GitHub plugin, it’s great
CC on github just looks like Codex. I see your point, but it seems like all the big players basically have a CLI agent and most of them think that its just an implementation detail so they dont expose it.
Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google
#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
Cursor see it coming - it's why they're moving to the web and mobile[0] The bigger issue is the advantage Anthropic, Google and OpenAI have in developing and deploying their own models. It wasn't that long ago that Cursor was reading 50 lines of code at a time to save on token costs. Anthropic just came out and yolo'd the context window because they could afford to, and it blew everything else away. Cursor could rele…
I think this is an interesting and cool direction for Cursor to be going in and I don't doubt something like this is the future. But I have my doubts whether it will save them in the short/medium term: - AI is not good enough yet to abandon the traditional IDE experierence if you're doing anything non-trivial. Hard finding use cases for this right now. - There's no moat here. There are already a dozen "Claude Code UI…
I have a whole backlog of trivial tasks I never get around to because I’m working on less trivial things.