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OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by libraryofbabel »

extr wrote: post #56

IMO other than the Microsoft IP issue, I think the biggest thing that has shifted since this acquisition was first in the works is Claude Code has absolutely exploded. Forking an IDE and all the expense that comes with that feels like a waste of effort, considering the number of free/open source CLI agentic tools that are out there. Let's review the current state of things: - Terminal CLI agents are several orders of…

Some excellent points. On “add selection to chat”, I just want to add that the Claude Code VS code extension automatically passes the current selection to the model. :)

I am genuinely curious if any Cursor or Windsurf users who have also tried Claude Code could speak to why they prefer the IDE-fork tools? I’ve only ever used Claude Code myself - what am I missing?

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by wagwang »

extr wrote: post #56

IMO other than the Microsoft IP issue, I think the biggest thing that has shifted since this acquisition was first in the works is Claude Code has absolutely exploded. Forking an IDE and all the expense that comes with that feels like a waste of effort, considering the number of free/open source CLI agentic tools that are out there. Let's review the current state of things: - Terminal CLI agents are several orders of…

As far as I can tell, terminal agents are inferior to hosted agents in sandboxed/imaged environments when it comes to concurrent execution and far inferior to assisted ide in terms of UX so what exactly is the point?. The "UI niceties" is the whole point of using cursor and somehow, everyone else sucks at it.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by browningstreet »

BobbyJo wrote: post #28
parpfish wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I only learned this week that “sama” is “Sam Altman” and not the first name of some other ai startup ceo

It's his hackernews username.

Well, more actively nowadays, it's his X username...

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by jongjong »

bhl wrote: post #43

I don't know anyone who heard or used Windsurf outside the Bay Area. Even Cursor feels very Bay Area bubbly (although that is the market to go after if you're in ai dev tools).

Cursor does add value but it's just a thin layer on top of VSCode so companies could just build that in-house and don't need to acquire. There's no moat there.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by koolba »

sothatsit wrote: post #63
xyst wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apparently somebody missed crypto mania between 2019-2022

AI has nothing in common with crypto other than it being hyped a lot. The better comparison is the dot-com bubble.

> AI has nothing in common with crypto other than it being hyped a lot.

Don’t forget all the GPUs. Nvidia always gets its cut.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by adamoshadjivas »

extr wrote: post #56

IMO other than the Microsoft IP issue, I think the biggest thing that has shifted since this acquisition was first in the works is Claude Code has absolutely exploded. Forking an IDE and all the expense that comes with that feels like a waste of effort, considering the number of free/open source CLI agentic tools that are out there. Let's review the current state of things: - Terminal CLI agents are several orders of…

Agreed on everything. Just to add, not only anthropic is offering CC at like a 500% loss, they restricted sonnet/opus 4 access to windsurf, and jacked up their enterprise deal to Cursor. The increase in price was so big that it forced cursor to make that disastrous downgrade to their plans.

I think only way Cursor and other UX wrappers still win is if on device models or at least open source models catch up in the next 2 years. Then i can see a big push for UX if models are truly a commodity. But as long as claude is much better then yes they hold all the cards. (And don't have a bigger company to have a civil war with like openai)

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by DiscourseFan »

bix6 wrote: post #55
DiscourseFan wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are many AI startups and we are just in the beginning of learning how to use them. There will be some stupid company like those you’ve listed that figures out a way to use AI that is far better than any other implementation, and Google, Meta, and Microsoft may go the way of Yahoo and AOL, but we’ll see

Doesn’t seem like it. Antitrust has no teeth so the mega corps are just buying all the talent with life changing cash.

The “talent” is not very talented, trust me. These are the short term whims of very large, increasingly bloated organizations. A leaner startup that knows what it has will not sell so quickly. At least, the odds will soon be in favor of whoever first decides to take that bet.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by nikcub »

extr wrote: post #56

IMO other than the Microsoft IP issue, I think the biggest thing that has shifted since this acquisition was first in the works is Claude Code has absolutely exploded. Forking an IDE and all the expense that comes with that feels like a waste of effort, considering the number of free/open source CLI agentic tools that are out there. Let's review the current state of things: - Terminal CLI agents are several orders of…

Cursor see it coming - it's why they're moving to the web and mobile[0]

The bigger issue is the advantage Anthropic, Google and OpenAI have in developing and deploying their own models. It wasn't that long ago that Cursor was reading 50 lines of code at a time to save on token costs. Anthropic just came out and yolo'd the context window because they could afford to, and it blew everything else away.

Cursor could release a cli tomorrow but it wouldn't help them compete when Anthropic and Google can always be multiples cheaper

[0] https://cursor.com/blog/agent-web

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by rhodysurf »

wagwang wrote: post #72
extr wrote: post #56

IMO other than the Microsoft IP issue, I think the biggest thing that has shifted since this acquisition was first in the works is Claude Code has absolutely exploded. Forking an IDE and all the expense that comes with that feels like a waste of effort, considering the number of free/open source CLI agentic tools that are out there. Let's review the current state of things: - Terminal CLI agents are several orders of…

As far as I can tell, terminal agents are inferior to hosted agents in sandboxed/imaged environments when it comes to concurrent execution and far inferior to assisted ide in terms of UX so what exactly is the point?. The "UI niceties" is the whole point of using cursor and somehow, everyone else sucks at it.

You’re missing the point tho. The point of the cli agent is that it’s a building block to put this thing everywhere. Look at CCs GitHub plugin, it’s great
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