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Bill Atkinson's psychedelic user interface

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Re: Bill Atkinson's psychedelic user interface

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Post by esseph »

gavinray wrote: post #152
Euphorbium wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you expand on this? I just so happen to have evrything to try this, but never even considered it.

I dissolved 20mg of 4-AcO-DMT in 1mL of bacteriostatic water in a sealed, sterile vial and then injected it intramuscularly into my glute. (If you do this, make sure you inject the upper-outer quadrant. The closer to your midline you go, the further the risk of you hitting a nerve.) If you're very experienced and want to do it for novelty's sake, go for it; I'd warn you, but anyone considering this should know what t…

Thank you for this, astral traveler

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Post by dudeinjapan »

lelandfe wrote: post #145
zoklet-enjoyer wrote: post #62

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Is there that much of a social taboo? Maybe it's just the people I hang out with and work with, but most people are open to psychedelic use and a lot have at least tried some.

Yes, it’s your bubble. There are American states still charging people over marijuana. Having grown up Christian I personally know people in their 30s who view psychedelic and heroin users similarly. Those people would have the opposite view of you. Years back, my friend’s parents asked me to stage an intervention for him after they found out he regularly took LSD. He was 19 at the time.

Growing up my friend’s dad was a conservative christian and a frequent caller into conservative talk radio shows. There was a state referendum to legalize marijuana, so I asked what he thought. “Of course it should be legal. It says right there in Genesis—God said: I give you every herb bearing seed upon the Earth. What could be more clear-cut than that?”

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Post by xsmasher »

hnthrowaway0315 wrote: post #76

I'm skeptic about psychedelic. Is there enough unbiased research about these stuffs? I myself is interested in it too but so far it is in general illegal in Canada, and I don't consider myself knowledgeable enough to try it out.

There is not enough research because, at least in the US, there was a blanket ban on any research since 1970 when most psychedelics were placed on "Schedule I" - meaning they had "no accepted medical use" and "high potential for abuse."

"Big Reality" was either terrified of everyone becoming drooling monkeys, or people seeing behind the curtain of society, depending on who you ask.

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Post by 1718627440 »

soulofmischief wrote: post #24
fedeb95 wrote: post #5

thinking that our own judgement is better than a doctor judgement, supported by a vast community and shared knowledge, is epistemically interesting. Beware that I'm not saying that doctors, or the scientific community, can't be wrong, everyone can be wrong, even ourselves. Personally, I'd rather have a proper doctor prescribe me said medicine than take it myself.

In an ideal world maybe, but in the real world, most doctors are conditioned by US propaganda and the War on Drugs. Their views are compromised. Furthermore, I've had mixed experiences with health professionals. It took me 10 years across multiple clinics and states to get diagnosed with gout that I've had since at least my late teens. Laughed out of multiple doctor's offices because I'm a "healthy young male" even t…

Isn't every medicine a drug, since a drug with medical application in the right dose is just called medicine?

Re: Bill Atkinson's psychedelic user interface

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Post by 1718627440 »

esseph wrote: post #81
gwbas1c wrote: post #34

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> thinking that our own judgement is better than a doctor judgement, supported by a vast community and shared knowledge, is epistemically interesting. The medical community is concerned with physical health, mental health, ect. The Psychedelic community is more like a religion; it is "vast" and there is a lot of "shared knowledge" if you go looking. The thing is, western medicine's purpose really isn't to do the kind…

This is absolutely /bullshit/. That medical doctor doesn't even know how most of the medications work, or why! If it was just about "health" a lot of things with our modern medical care would be different.

Isn't this what the years-long studies and rigorous state examination is for? How would they selecting medication, when they wouldn't know the mechanism of action?

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Post by 1718627440 »

kloop wrote: post #60
demaga wrote: post #56

I feel like someone is trying really hard to push public perception of psychedelics towards "acceptable". I don't know who it benefits, but this is a really weird Overton window. I wouldn't say a word if it weren't nth article about psychedelics that appears on HN frontpage. I was quiet the last n-1 times. If you google psilocybin right now, you can see articles that state how it "slows ageing" and "cures depression"…

> So it hurts my soul when I see words like "legalize" being thrown in this context. We know very very little about effect of such drugs. That seems like exactly when we should legalize it. The default is legal, and without definite knowledge of serious harm, that should be the status. The burden of proof should be on the people who want it to be legal, and by your comment, their case seems pretty weak.

Sure, just let people use any weapon, we don't know for sure, if any particular bullet is mortal, maybe they don't cause any harm that time.

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Post by dpc050505 »

kragen wrote: post #179

Is the world's most powerful psychedelic the personal computer, or is it 5-MeO-DMT (Jaguar)? Not having tried the latter, and therefore speaking from a position of ignorance, I'm inclined toward the former. I think Timothy Leary agreed with me.

Having experience with a lot of psychedelics it's completely ridiculous to put the personal computer in that category.

Timothy Leary might've drawn a parallel on the psychological impact of computers (I have no idea on the exact quote or it's context), which is enormous, but computers are just not psychedelic.

Re: Bill Atkinson's psychedelic user interface

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Post by WillAdams »

wvlia5 wrote: post #51
WillAdams wrote: post #15

For the technological context and result: https://www.folklore.org/Joining_Apple_Computer.html Still very sad that HyperCard got sidelined and that even its successor, Livecode abandoned the idea of being available to everyone --- though it looks as if folks are still working that: https://openxtalk.org/

This is off-topic, we are discussing drugs here.

which the link in question references:

>Inspired by a mind-expanding LSD journey in 1985, I designed the HyperCard authoring system that enabled non-programmers to make their own interactive media.

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