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Bill Atkinson's psychedelic user interface

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Re: Bill Atkinson's psychedelic user interface

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Post by brainless »

I am on the fence with these topics because I have years of fear drilled into me. These topics are a taboo and I have rarely ever tried anything at all. The experiences did not ruin me, they made me more curious about my brain in a positive way. But the social taboo lingers.

What surprises me the most is that we have accepted sugar, alcohol, cigarettes and a ton of mass manufactured food which are harming us. I am struggling with high blood glucose for 12 years. Yet, the substance which I can grow in my* own backyard and may actually not be as harmful is just brainwashed out of my limits.

edits: you to me

Re: Bill Atkinson's psychedelic user interface

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Post by zoklet-enjoyer »

brainless wrote: post #61

I am on the fence with these topics because I have years of fear drilled into me. These topics are a taboo and I have rarely ever tried anything at all. The experiences did not ruin me, they made me more curious about my brain in a positive way. But the social taboo lingers. What surprises me the most is that we have accepted sugar, alcohol, cigarettes and a ton of mass manufactured food which are harming us. I am st…

Is there that much of a social taboo? Maybe it's just the people I hang out with and work with, but most people are open to psychedelic use and a lot have at least tried some.

Re: Bill Atkinson's psychedelic user interface

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Post by lostmsu »

dtj1123 wrote: post #49
lostmsu wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are totally OK as long as healthcare is not socialized.

Does that line of reasoning extend to things like fast food and motorcycles in your eyes? Not trying to undermine your point, just genuinely curious.

I don't see why not. Maybe no need to ban altogether, but a heavy tax on both might be useful. For motorbikes maybe just exclude accidents from coverage.

Re: Bill Atkinson's psychedelic user interface

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Post by lostmsu »

Gravityloss wrote: post #45
lostmsu wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are totally OK as long as healthcare is not socialized.

There's angles to socialization. If a person with brain issues gets free doctor visits and a medicine, that is at cost to society. If they are safe to be around and are able to hold a job or have children, then there's societal benefits gained. One could consider the treatment costs as investments. If that person was untreated and they did something unpleasant or bad in public, or ended up in prison, that also has a…

You are assuming treatment benefits, but the comment was about "recreational" use and its consequences.

Re: Bill Atkinson's psychedelic user interface

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Post by nonelog »

ashalhashim wrote: post #50
nonelog wrote: post #46

While DMT definitively has its merits (and is produced naturally in the human body), know also that Psilocybin allows for an increases of the human lifespan of over 50%, which is absolutely massive. [0] It's entirely natural, easy to do, has no side effects, costs next to nothing, and can even be "fun". As usual, the media will not talk about this discovery, as it is too much of a game-changer for our current systems…

I assume this comment is trolling. But to be clear to readers, the link states psilocybin 50% increase in lifespan of human skin etc. not human lifespan.

"[...] extended the cellular lifespan of human skin and lung cells by more than 50%"

If we assume that the effect is the same for all types of cells, it follows that the life is extended by 50% (when keeping "all other factors" constant, as usual).

Re: Bill Atkinson's psychedelic user interface

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Post by zoklet-enjoyer »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #22
demiters wrote: post #7

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You're right. I'm all for across-the-board decriminalisation btw. But I don't really know where a responsible balance would be for psychedelic availability, my intuition is we shouldn't be aiming at OTC disposable DMT vapes etc.

Perhaps administration of the drug from a professional? Make the treatment an affordable and legal option.

That sounds awful. I'll stick to my home and nature

Re: Bill Atkinson's psychedelic user interface

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Post by pazimzadeh »

demaga wrote: post #56

I feel like someone is trying really hard to push public perception of psychedelics towards "acceptable". I don't know who it benefits, but this is a really weird Overton window. I wouldn't say a word if it weren't nth article about psychedelics that appears on HN frontpage. I was quiet the last n-1 times. If you google psilocybin right now, you can see articles that state how it "slows ageing" and "cures depression"…

It’s a lot easier to study if it’s legal. It’s also pretty hard to come up with a convincing placebo. The experience is also highly colored by “set and setting”, and the clinical environment or office space is probably not ideal for this knowledge expansion..

An article just came out showing that psilocybin extends life in aged mice, so that’s why you’re seeing it a lot. Yet we have no idea what causes this lifespan increase. Is it a result of “hallucination” experience itself , a purely chemical effect, or something in between? (aka will a ‘bad trip’ give the same effect on lifespan?)

> Most people will NOT benefit from taking the drug (as with any drug)

Now you’re just making things up.

Re: Bill Atkinson's psychedelic user interface

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Post by asveikau »

mathiaspoint wrote: post #23
hnlmorg wrote: post #4

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That has been various governments approach to drugs for literally decades and it got us nowhere. The problem isnt that this still is casually available. Drugs have been casually available since forever. The problem is that pushing drug usage to the fringes makes it less safe for people who haven’t done their homework. Ironically the exact opposite of that you claimed.

I think with psychedelics it's fine. The problems you're talking about are with addictive stimulants.

With psychedelics the risk profile is very different. Firstly, people can do harmful things during the trip. Second, a more vague, difficult to measure and predict concern around long term psychological effects to some people.
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