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Re: Apple vs the Law

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Post by cess11 »

giingyui wrote: post #226
cess11 wrote: post #223

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Is this a joke? The EU is the product of large industrialists institutionalising their liberalist, capitalist values as an international bureaucracy. It hardly cares about unions beyond what the ECHR and ILO treaties demands, i.e. it's obviously not left wing. If it was inherently left wing it wouldn't have the kind of parliament it has, but rather something like Yugoslavia or the DDR did. It's also not conservative,…

It’s not the eighties anymore. The world has moved on. You have to look at things from the perspective of the present. Forget Yugoslavia.

You would have a hard time understanding the EU today if you knew nothing about Yugoslavia, since the fallout turned into portions of the EU.

If you know of some other institutionally left wing bureaucracy you consider more appropriate to use as an example, name it.

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Post by bee_rider »

chongli wrote: post #112
alt227 wrote: post #100

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More people are getting annoyed with Apple over these issues, and they are bleeding into the mainstream media more frequently. I have a few die hard Apple friends (Non-professionals) that have recently got so frustrated with being pushed into corners that they have given up the fruity ecosystem altogether. In no way am I suggesting that Apple are on the way out, but they have definitely started to turn the same corne…

“Challenging underdog” isn’t a term I’d have applied to Apple since the early days of the iPhone. They’ve been very big and very “big business” for a long time now, and I’ve called myself an Apple fan since the 1990s. They are a very different company today (mostly due to means; they’ve always had the ambition).

Yeah, couldn’t really call them the underdog post-iPhone. But they were a top-dog for a while after that.

The decline takes a long time to set in though. MS had lost the plot by 2012 (the release of Windows 8), but they’ve been shambling on for more than a decade since then.

Re: Apple vs the Law

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Post by shkkmo »

pieds wrote: post #232
johndhi wrote: post #189

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Where are the software companies that compete with apple though? Wasn't that the question?

No it wasn't. The question was that if regulation creates more competition with Apple what are the markets with this competition? European companies compete with US companies, including Apple, in areas where there is competition. In music software, music streaming, engineering and finance software, services and so on. Apple has around 33% smartphone market share in Europe. Where is the US competition? Google at 3%. T…

Apple has <60% market share in the US. It's pretty dominant, but there are definitely still real competitors.

Re: Apple vs the Law

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Post by cess11 »

disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #235
cess11 wrote: post #223

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Is this a joke? The EU is the product of large industrialists institutionalising their liberalist, capitalist values as an international bureaucracy. It hardly cares about unions beyond what the ECHR and ILO treaties demands, i.e. it's obviously not left wing. If it was inherently left wing it wouldn't have the kind of parliament it has, but rather something like Yugoslavia or the DDR did. It's also not conservative,…

It's funny, as the EU is normally bashed by left people for being too right, and right people for being too left. Like, lots of the Treaties are pretty neo-liberal (private services, competition is always good, privatise stuff) but lots more are more left wring (the anti-monoploy stuff, the social charter etc). Really though the EU is 27 governments in a trenchcoat, so it tends to reflect those governments (which cha…

Anti-monopoly is left wing and doesn't fit the neo-liberalist compartment?

The social charter is firmly liberalist, though not distinctly of the neo- flavour.

Due to the institutional structures and processes EU rule making tends to be quite resistant to immediate political fashion. For one the power of framing from interest and lobby groups is quite strong, hence the influence from expert groups and lawyer like people. It's why conservatives are pushing towards a kind of United States of Europe direction, they'd prefer a centralisation of power in areas currently governed by the founding agreements.

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Post by neuroelectron »

sorrythanks wrote: post #145
mathstuf wrote: post #113

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I also find editing on an iPhone to be an exercise in futility. Is it no longer possible to place a cursor in the middle of a word? I end up having to go to a word boundary and erase from there and retype everything. The keyboard touch areas also seem offset from Android and I end up one row off too much of the time.

if you hold down the space bar you can use that to slide the cursor around :)

Yes but sometimes it doesn't work, weirdly. The cursor just doesn't go where you put it, jumping to the end of the line or next line entirely, where it gets lost in limbo because it's a single line text box. It's ridiculously broken sometimes.

Now that's not a big deal until it happens 3 times in a row randomly and now something that would take less than half a second on a keyboard is taking over 20 seconds. Not only that the random behavior is extremely frustrating which just makes you avoid it in the future.

Re: Apple vs the Law

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Post by bee_rider »

alt227 wrote: post #100
Zopieux wrote: post #86

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This happens in the confines of legal (EU, California, ...) institutions and courts with the occasional boring news reporting the average consumer doesn't read, like this article. It's clearly a win for Apple.

More people are getting annoyed with Apple over these issues, and they are bleeding into the mainstream media more frequently. I have a few die hard Apple friends (Non-professionals) that have recently got so frustrated with being pushed into corners that they have given up the fruity ecosystem altogether. In no way am I suggesting that Apple are on the way out, but they have definitely started to turn the same corne…

Not super digging with Apple’s push back on EU laws nowadays, will probably not get another Apple phone… but, the competition is not very good so far. Currently on an iPhone 12. So, hopefully by like 2030 the Linux phone ecosystem will really be there for day-to-day use (maybe it already is there, I haven’t checked lately).

And I must admit, this phone has already had a good run. If it lasts that long, I’ll be impressed for sure.

Re: Apple vs the Law

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Post by cess11 »

saubeidl wrote: post #228
giingyui wrote: post #226

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It’s not the eighties anymore. The world has moved on. You have to look at things from the perspective of the present. Forget Yugoslavia.

Yugoslavia was the perfect economic model. Forgetting it would be doing the world a disservice.

Today is Srebrenica remembrance day so I'll sneak in a OT link to the BBC documentary The Death of Yugoslavia here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsBTkAXnPZs

Re: Apple vs the Law

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Post by saagarjha »

sensanaty wrote: post #99
shuckles wrote: post #62

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The average Android user is far worse off security-wise than the average iOS user, and it isn't even close.

How so? As of late, Android FCZC exploits pay out more than iOS ones do at the moment[1]. And anecdotally from what I hear from friends involved in security, Android is very well hardened at this point and is equal to iOS despite having a much wider surface area for attacks. [1] https://opzero.ru/en/prices/

Average Android users are not targeted by exploits.

Re: Apple vs the Law

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Post by [deleted] »

Tainnor wrote: post #197
Y-bar wrote: post #166

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I agree actually, my use of "medium-sized" was not best, in my personal view a medium-sized company is in the 200-500 employee range. These are definitively larger than that, however I assumed the person I replied to took "medium sized" to mean "significantly smaller than Apple/Google/Amazon/… …but not unknown". Because if I were to pull up a list of thirty unknown actually medium-sized companies pretty much nobody w…

These companies may be smaller than FAANG, but I also feel that if BASF disappeared overnight it would have a larger impact on the world than if Facebook disappeared. HN is sometimes incredibly biased towards consumer tech.

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Re: Apple vs the Law

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Post by saubeidl »

cess11 wrote: post #247
saubeidl wrote: post #228

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Yugoslavia was the perfect economic model. Forgetting it would be doing the world a disservice.

Today is Srebrenica remembrance day so I'll sneak in a OT link to the BBC documentary The Death of Yugoslavia here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsBTkAXnPZs

It is quite unfortunate what happened when ethnic nationalism won out over brotherhood and unity, but to be clear, I don't think that has anything to do with the economic model
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