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AI coding tools can reduce productivity

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Re: AI coding tools can reduce productivity

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I've been using Claude Code heavily for about 3 months now, and I'm pretty sure I'm between 10 and 20 times more productive while using it. How I measure performance is how many features I can implement in a given period of time. It's nice that people have done studies and have opinions, but for me, it's 10x to 20x better.

> How I measure performance is how many features I can implement in a given period of time.

When a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure.

Re: AI coding tools can reduce productivity

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post #57

I've been using Claude Code heavily for about 3 months now, and I'm pretty sure I'm between 10 and 20 times more productive while using it. How I measure performance is how many features I can implement in a given period of time. It's nice that people have done studies and have opinions, but for me, it's 10x to 20x better.

I agree I feel more productive. AI tools do actually make it easier and makes my brain use less energy. You would think that would be more productive but maybe it just feels that way. Stage magicians say that the magic is done in the audiences memory after the trick is done. It's the effect of the activity. AI coding tools makes developers happier and able to spend more brain power on actually difficult things. But o…

> Waze the navigation app routes you in non standard routes so that you are not stuck in traffic, so it feels fast that you are making progress. But the time taken may be longer and the distance travelled may be further!

You're not "stuck in traffic", you are the traffic. If the app distributes users around and this makes it so they don't end up in traffic jams, it's effectively preventing traffic jams from forming

I liked your washing machine vs. sink example that I see you just edited out. The machine may do it slower and less efficiently than you'd do in the sink, but the machine runs in parallel, freeing you to do something else. So is with good use of LLMs.

Re: AI coding tools can reduce productivity

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post #57

I've been using Claude Code heavily for about 3 months now, and I'm pretty sure I'm between 10 and 20 times more productive while using it. How I measure performance is how many features I can implement in a given period of time. It's nice that people have done studies and have opinions, but for me, it's 10x to 20x better.

I can’t believe such numbers. If this was true why don’t you quit your job and vibe code 10 ios apps

I wish I could. Some problems are difficult to solve and I still need to pay the bills.

So I work 8 hours a day (to get money to eat) and code another 4 hours at home at night.

Weekends are both 10 hour days, and then rinse / repeat.

Unfortunately some projects are just hard to do and until now, they were too hard to attempt to solve solo. But with AI assistance, I am literally moving mountains.

The project may still be a failure but at least it will fail faster, no different to the pre-AI days.

Re: AI coding tools can reduce productivity

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You're getting 6 months worth of work done in a week?

I bet with a co-worker that a migration from angular 15 to angular 19 could be done really fast avoiding months. I spent a whole evening on it and Claude code have never been able to pull off a migration from 15 to 16 on its own. A total waste of time and nothing worked. I had the surprise that it cost me 275$ for nothing. So maybe for greenfield projects it’s smooth and saves time but it’s not a silver bullet on pro…

I've had a lot of issues with Claude and web development.

I ended up asking it how it wanted to work and would an 'AdminKit Template' work to get things moving.

It recommended AdminKit and that was a good move.

For me, custom UI's aren't a big part of the solution, I just need web pages to manage CRUD endpoints to manage the product.

AdminKit has been a good fit so far, but it was a fresh start, no migration.

Re: AI coding tools can reduce productivity

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Same. It’s amazing for frontend.

Is this because they had the entire web to train on, code + output and semantics in every page?

I guess it’s because modern front-end “development” is mostly about copying huge amounts of pointless boilerplate and slightly modifying it, which LLMs are really good at.

Re: AI coding tools can reduce productivity

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There are definitely swings. Last night it took about 2 hours to get Monaco into my webpack built bootstrap template, it came down to CSS being mishandled and Claude couldn't see the light. I just pasted the code into ChatGPT o3 and it fixed it first try. I pasted the output of ChatGPT into Claude and viola, all done. A key skill is to sense when the AI is starting to guess for solutions (no different to human devs)…

Doesn't sound like you were writing actual functionality code, just integrating libraries?

That's right for this part of the work.

Most of the coding needed to give people CRUD interfaces to resources is all about copy / pasting and integrating tools together.

Sort of like the old days when we were patching all those copy/paste's from StackOverflow.

Too little of full stack application writing is truly unique.

Re: AI coding tools can reduce productivity

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What bothers me more than any of this particular discussion is that we seem to be incapable of determining programmer productivity in a meaningful way since my debut as a programmer 40 years ago.

what about the $ you make? isn't that an indicator? you've probably made more than me, so you are more successful while both of us might be doing the same thing.

People doing charity work, work for non-profits or work for public benefit corporations typically have vastly lower wages than those who work in e.g high frequency trading or other capital-adjacent industries. Are you comfortable declaring that the former is always vastly less productive than the latter?

Changing jobs typically brings a higher salary than your previous job. Are you saying that I'm significantly more productive right after changing jobs than right before?

I recently moved from being employed by a company to do software development, to running my own software development company and doing consulting work for others. I can now put in significantly fewer hours, doing the same kind of work (sometimes even on the same projects that I worked on before), and make more money. Am I now significantly more productive? I don't feel more productive, I just learned to charge more for my time.

IMO, your suggestion falls on its own ridiculousness.

Re: AI coding tools can reduce productivity

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post #57

I've been using Claude Code heavily for about 3 months now, and I'm pretty sure I'm between 10 and 20 times more productive while using it. How I measure performance is how many features I can implement in a given period of time. It's nice that people have done studies and have opinions, but for me, it's 10x to 20x better.

I'm between 73 and 86 times more productive using claude code. You're not using it well.

Can you show some of those problems and their solutions?
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