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Re: TechCrunch is a bully

#41

I'd like your leave to go a bit meta here, hope you don't mind. What I find interesting about this exchange (the original TC article and Lanewood's response) is the message "don't do this because it hurts." Yes, it does. But my experience is that pain is a signal you listen to, it's one of those things that says "stop doing what you are doing." It is a corrective force. Making exaggerated claims about your influence…

So, first off I don't give a fuck about the story, or the counter story, or people who photoshop themselves with celebrities, or people who care about whether people really know celebrities, or techcrunch.

That said, I wanted to contrast the HN reaction to this story with the HN reaction to the kid who slept at AOL. I figure in both cases we're talking about someone who did something deceptive and wrong in the supposed name of entrepreneurial hustle. The AOL kid actually went as far as breaking the law, while it's not clear this girl did at all.

In the AOL kid's article you wrote:

"However for a potential investor this is a great demonstration of how committed someone is to their idea, and their passion. I don't doubt for a moment that Eric will be successful at what ever he sets out to do, you can't buy that kind of focus."

( http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4019755 )

Then went on to at least play devil's advocate to the commenter who called it an 'ethical failure'.

Honestly not trying to call you hypocritical here.. I'm genuinely curious what gives the AOL kid 'moxie' while the girl that plays up her relationships with folks is less admirable.

Re: TechCrunch is a bully

#42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I agree with your not being on a side - my personal opinion is this: Techcrunch was founded and run by a douchebag - thus douchebaggery is in its DNA.

Unfortunately this is true. I'm not sure all that many people know where the founder came from, i.e., the type of stuff he was doing before TechCrunch, and the company he worked for - a company responsible for a very large portion of some of the purest douchbaggery to be found anywhere on the web. The lowest of the low. They do some very dirty work. I'd even guess there are "innocent" people working at TC who do not…

example?

Re: TechCrunch is a bully

#43
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What am I missing? What do you know that you're not saying? I can't find anything in the original TC article that said "she blatantly lied many times about many things to high profile people". Who did she lie to? What was the lie? Was it a lie or just an exaggeration? The TC article mentions Founders Fund a bunch, and not much else.

So, photoshopping yourself into pictures with several different people is "an exaggeration" to you?

That's the thing! This article is incredibly shallow and manipulative. I have no doubt this girl lied about being affiliated with Founders Fund but that's all the article says. The article never says that the purpose of the photoshopped photos was to mislead. It just puts them out there and tempts you to draw your own conclusion from the biased context. People Photoshop themselves next famous people. All the time. It's all in good fun. I'm not saying she's innocent but what I am saying is that this article was lazy and really does belong on TMZ.

I'll sum up the article:

"This random girl lied about being affiliated with Founders Fund but it's unclear who she lied to exactly. We're going to beat this horse to death and here's some Photoshopped photos of her with famous people that could be innocent but we're not real journalists here so we'll make an implication and let you draw your own conclusion thus getting us off the hook for doing any real journalism"

That's how that piece should have read. Whether she's guilty or not this article is a steaming pile. I wonder if this was ordered by Founders Fund itself. (See what I did there? I asked the question and now you get to go all conspiracy theory with that while I get to say I never made that accusation... Kind of like this article)

Re: TechCrunch is a bully

#44

The thing I don't get about the techcrunch article is in the comments Alexia Tsotsis wrote: > This is the story that no one was writing. Amazing work Anthony Ha. is his life in danger? is she some high power person that can destroy Anthony Ha's career? No... she's a person that lies...

I don't understand why a co-editor of TechCrunch would ever write "this is the story that no one was writing". Er, if you were wanting someone to write it, why didn't you commission them to write it already? That's surely your job!?!

Re: TechCrunch is a bully

#45
And she has the top media company in the tech industry trying to take her down.

TechCrunch isn't anything close to a "top media company." TC is a shitty blog run by a bunch of amateurs who should be lucky enough to be referred to as "wannabe journalists." TC exists to whore for page impressions and ad clicks, nothing more. The best thing to do is pretend they don't exist... quit reading TC, quit sending them "news", quit responding to their bullshit, etc.

Re: TechCrunch is a bully

#46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I agree with your not being on a side - my personal opinion is this: Techcrunch was founded and run by a douchebag - thus douchebaggery is in its DNA.

Unfortunately this is true. I'm not sure all that many people know where the founder came from, i.e., the type of stuff he was doing before TechCrunch, and the company he worked for - a company responsible for a very large portion of some of the purest douchbaggery to be found anywhere on the web. The lowest of the low. They do some very dirty work. I'd even guess there are "innocent" people working at TC who do not…

what the hell.. this thread is certainly being derailed very quickly.

discredit the facts in the story, not the guy who hired the guy who used to run the site or whatever

Re: TechCrunch is a bully

#47

I thought the same thing when reading that article. Here was someone I've never heard of - and I'm pretty active at getting around the startup world; someone who seems to have got herself into a web of lies which probably started off with some exaggerations. Let's stipulate to the fact that it's not okay to lie about yourself to get a gig, even if you think it's harmless and you'll make up for it in work. I thought i…

pretty funny to read your elitis tirade there considering that a lot of these blogs are also startups with founders, CEO's, employees, investors etc.

Re: TechCrunch is a bully

#48

I'd like your leave to go a bit meta here, hope you don't mind. What I find interesting about this exchange (the original TC article and Lanewood's response) is the message "don't do this because it hurts." Yes, it does. But my experience is that pain is a signal you listen to, it's one of those things that says "stop doing what you are doing." It is a corrective force. Making exaggerated claims about your influence…

So, first off I don't give a fuck about the story, or the counter story, or people who photoshop themselves with celebrities, or people who care about whether people really know celebrities, or techcrunch. That said, I wanted to contrast the HN reaction to this story with the HN reaction to the kid who slept at AOL. I figure in both cases we're talking about someone who did something deceptive and wrong in the suppos…

That is a completely fair point. What is the difference?

I see it as 'who is being scammed' and what is the harm done.

Now in the kid's case he did use AOL resources which, had he not, they would have been used on AOL employees (thinking mostly food here, the energy/light/water usage is probably flat rate like it is in my facilities). He did not do monetary damage to AOL, nor reputational damage (he didn't represent his work as being part of AOL or represent himself as an AOL representative to potential partners or investors).

In Shirley's case she allegedly convinced some people she would be able to connect them with potential investors or advisers when in fact she could not. For a startup founder that can make them think there is some additional outreach going on that isn't. If the founder feels like outreach is critical to the startups ability to succeed and they find they have squandered time, their most precious resource, with this person who couldn't deliver then I could see them feel betrayed. If you hire (and pay) a PR firm to get your message out and they say they can get you into the New York Times or Inc or whatever and it turns out they can't and never could, you may be inclined to not pay them (and possibly sue them if you had already paid them).

So one is 'freeloading' (the kids case) and one is fraud (Shirley's case). I see it as the difference between saying you have a million dollars in your checking account when you don't, versus writing a check for a million dollars when you don't have it. Shopping yourself into photos feels more like the latter to me, but unless you're actually paying for her services your not financially harmed.

I think asking the hypocrisy question is completely valid. Where does this behavior cross the line from 'white lie' into 'fraud'?

In my post I really was commenting on people trying suppress conversation that is painful through peer pressure. Conflict avoidance is a huge problem in society, it lets problems grow into bigger problems. I was not particularly passing judgement on Shirley's actions, although in all honestly when I read the TC article I did feel sympathy for the folks who were misled, and I didn't feel nearly as much angst for the AOL folks who didn't realize the guy was living in their office.

The kid's motivations were pretty clear, do you happen to have any insights into Shirleys? I'll admit I accepted the implication that she does this just to prop up her own self image, but recognize that conclusion isn't completely supported by what we know. Motive does play a huge part in how the two stories get positioned.

(This comes back to my comment in that previous thread : When evaluating a series of events involving grey areas its always useful to try to understand the principles that are in play. Different sets of principles would lead you down two different paths.)

Re: TechCrunch is a bully

#49

I'd like your leave to go a bit meta here, hope you don't mind. What I find interesting about this exchange (the original TC article and Lanewood's response) is the message "don't do this because it hurts." Yes, it does. But my experience is that pain is a signal you listen to, it's one of those things that says "stop doing what you are doing." It is a corrective force. Making exaggerated claims about your influence…

So, first off I don't give a fuck about the story, or the counter story, or people who photoshop themselves with celebrities, or people who care about whether people really know celebrities, or techcrunch. That said, I wanted to contrast the HN reaction to this story with the HN reaction to the kid who slept at AOL. I figure in both cases we're talking about someone who did something deceptive and wrong in the suppos…

using legality as an ethical corollary doesn't really cut it for me. you're invoking "the worst argument in the world" as seen here on hn.

(http://lesswrong.com/lw/e95/the_worst_argument_in_the_world/)

now. there is a difference between those two articles.

just ask yourself: who would i invest in? the guy deceiving to work more, or the guy working to deceive more? no contest.

Re: TechCrunch is a bully

#50
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, photoshopping yourself into pictures with several different people is "an exaggeration" to you?

That's the thing! This article is incredibly shallow and manipulative. I have no doubt this girl lied about being affiliated with Founders Fund but that's all the article says. The article never says that the purpose of the photoshopped photos was to mislead. It just puts them out there and tempts you to draw your own conclusion from the biased context. People Photoshop themselves next famous people. All the time. It…

No one who has an ounce of meaning and dignity in their life would take the time out of their day to photoshop their face next to a celebrity.

Pretty much anyone who does that is fucking crazy. Maybe they're not "take your company down" crazy, but they're crazy.

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