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Re: The Really Easy SEO Link Building Strategy For Startups

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Post by WillyF » Thu, Aug 30, 2012, 1:08 AM UTC

kaedus29 wrote: post #34

InfinityX0 wrote: post #32

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It's very likely what you did made ranking a correlative rather than causative effect. Most of these comments were probably no-follow, and even if not, devalued b/c below the fold - reasoning: the Reasonable Surfer patent - http://www.seobythesea.com/2010/05/googles-reasonable-surfer... I agree that this can be helpful, but the way it is framed in this article is dangerous, because it can easily be misinterpreted.

While I don't condone the methods posted in this case study, I think that it goes to show that no-follow links do have value, that your on-page doesn't have to be perfect, and that the types of links that you claim don't work actually do. http://serpfu.com/case-study-insurance/ Once again, let me clarify that I don't condone the type of link building here, but I don't think that you can argue that it doesn't work.

Their "Backlink Bomb" provides "50,000+ backlinks from 10,000+ websites powered by 120+ content management systems and not a SINGLE blog comment."

Sounds like blog comments aren't the way to go.

They also advertise this service as "Penguin safe." Maybe if you launch your site between algorithm updates. You can definitely rank with these kind of links, but you will get torched eventually. This is not a long or even medium term strategy for what most of consider a startup.

Re: The Really Easy SEO Link Building Strategy For Startups

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Post by 1123581321 » Thu, Aug 30, 2012, 1:11 AM UTC

bhartzer wrote: post #15

If SEO and link building/link earning was this easy, then everyone would be doing it and there would be no need for SEO firms. There would be no SEO industry. Companies wouldn't be hiring SEOs to do link earning for them. Go ahead and try all of these methods described in that post and then see how well it works. Shortly thereafter you'll be contacting a good SEO firm to clean up the mess, remove bad links, and start…

Former SEO consultant here. This is a fine, low-effort low-reward way to build links. The reason it works is it is not actually that easy to write the kinds of comments that will make it on a worthwhile blog in the targeted industry. The person who does this is doing better than average unless the goal is a difficult one. The attention and traffic from comments actually part of conversations is real.

Even if the keywords targeted are very difficult, this is a fine activity for idle moments or for a marketing specialist/writer to do.

Re: The Really Easy SEO Link Building Strategy For Startups

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Post by itsprofitbaron » Thu, Aug 30, 2012, 1:36 AM UTC

dchuk wrote: post #38

itsprofitbaron wrote: post #37

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As I said in my comment, I have previously used manual blog commenting techniques to rank for highly competitive terms. Regardless of it being manual or not, it is a Grey Hat SEO technique. The way the spammers do it via spinning comments & blasting them out is Black Hat SEO along with the likes of XSS injections, Xrumer etc. My comment was mainly referring to the first 500-1000 links of a website & avoiding being sa…

Well in my post, I never advocated using anything other than your actual name, site, etc. In the comments, I explicitly recommend creating real profiles and using your real name. So I agree with you there. As for the 500-1000 links thing, I assume you got that number from one of Rand's posts ( http://moz.com/rand/the-first-500-links/ ). First, those numbers and guidelines are entirely anecdotal. Yes, there is a "hone…

I didn't get that from Rand's blog although I have read it. I got my figures through testing with some junk domains (I experimented with around 25 domains - .net, .com and .infos) to see of they get sandboxed when pushing X amount of links to it or by doing certain things and those were the results which I found albeit it's a small sample size.

Regarding the second part, it's very easy to beat the approval system on many blogging softwares - Wordpress for instance is extremely easy to do.

And regardless if you agree with me or not, blog commenting is a Grey Hat SEO technique. I also said that the effects for doing a few links is minimal in terms of negatively affecting a sites SEO rankings which I agree with you on, I am just disagreeing with you over the fact that this should be a startup's SEO strategy

Re: The Really Easy SEO Link Building Strategy For Startups

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Post by dchuk » Thu, Aug 30, 2012, 1:51 AM UTC

itsprofitbaron wrote: post #43

dchuk wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well in my post, I never advocated using anything other than your actual name, site, etc. In the comments, I explicitly recommend creating real profiles and using your real name. So I agree with you there. As for the 500-1000 links thing, I assume you got that number from one of Rand's posts ( http://moz.com/rand/the-first-500-links/ ). First, those numbers and guidelines are entirely anecdotal. Yes, there is a "hone…

I didn't get that from Rand's blog although I have read it. I got my figures through testing with some junk domains (I experimented with around 25 domains - .net, .com and .infos) to see of they get sandboxed when pushing X amount of links to it or by doing certain things and those were the results which I found albeit it's a small sample size. Regarding the second part, it's very easy to beat the approval system on…

Well, I tweeted the question to @MattCutts let's see what he says :)

https://twitter.com/iamdchuk/status/240989741246455810

Regardless of our disagreement here, thanks for the discussion!

Re: The Really Easy SEO Link Building Strategy For Startups

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Post by ovi256 » Thu, Aug 30, 2012, 9:45 PM UTC

jfoucher wrote: post #25

Very cool, but instead of tracking your keywords only in google, why not use http://mention.net or some other similar tool?

That's a great looking tool, very inspiring. And made nearby in Paris :) But it doesn't offer any automation for the workflow OP described.