Could they just make it not suck? Like the search system falls apart if you have more than a few thousand messages in a folder, not all that many by today's standards. The address book doesn't let you sort the addresses by most recently added, which is important if you reply to craigslist posts which use numeric forwarding addresses. So once you have more than a handful of them the are impossible to tell apart. It au…
Check out what we're building: https://marcoapp.io Basically a cross-platform Thunderbird replacement whose sole goal is to "not suck". Full-text search is entirely client side (not via IMAP) and returns results in single-digit ms.
Thunderbird 140 “Eclipse”
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#152From the Inbox screen on Thunderbird, hit Ctrl+Shift+F for a powerful search function
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#153Earlier quoted context omitted.
The person in question has a relatively rare medical condition, for most people dark mode reduces readability as a darker screen leads to more pupil dilation which causes halation. (which you can test out yourself if you stare at dark mode text and then look at a bright surface, you'll likely literally see a halo of the text). This is worse in people with astigmatism, which is about 35-50% of the population. Dark mod…
Surely this can't be that universal, right? I will have to do this test at some point. I have astigmatism but I find the default bright version of websites frequently painful to look at. I have no clue why but I need the dark versions.
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#154Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you have astigmatism dark mode is hell. Should be called nausea mode.
First time I hear someone describe nausea from dark mode. Quickly looked astigmatism up on Wikipedia - isn't that something glasses fully correct? I think I've got this as well, but not sure, I've just always had glasses and take whatever they measure to be the best possible lens (Of course I critically evaluate the measurement, like one time I actually couldn't read faraway text with what they were proposing whereas…
Also I generally don’t wear the glasses unless I’m working (with a computer of course) or driving. I also have myopia, but both my astigmatism and my myopia are mild. The problem is much more severe when it’s dark, so I always wear my glasses when it’s dark and I very rarely wear them during the day. I must always wear them if I intend to use the computer for a long time, though. Especially if I’m staring at a terminal or whatever else with white letters on a black background. But I don’t need them to read (black on white, not too far away) or to use my mobile (always closer to my face than my monitor).
Judging the distance/speed of other cars during the night without glasses is simply impossible despite my mild prescription.
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#155Earlier quoted context omitted.
Check out what we're building: https://marcoapp.io Basically a cross-platform Thunderbird replacement whose sole goal is to "not suck". Full-text search is entirely client side (not via IMAP) and returns results in single-digit ms.
>Full-text search is entirely client side (not via IMAP) Setting up server-side Xapian full-text search and disabling the crap client-side one in Thunderbird was one of the best improvements I made to my email usability. What makes your client-side search better? It's usually not speed I'm looking for, but rather precision, such as double quoted phrases (sorely missing from Thunderbird's client-side search), filterin…
It is able to use BM25, QPS, or PT15.
We're still playing around with various weights/settings, but have seen fantastic results so far.
What do you mean by "double quoted phrases"? Do you mean the ability to search for an _exact_ term?
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#156I have not used Thunderbird in 15 years, but I'm desperate for a decent email client. I've used Spark, Mailspring, Airmail...but I keep coming back to the MacOS Mail app. Any active users of Thunderbird who chose it over the default Mac mail client? Does it have a unified inbox for all your accounts? Dark mode looks neat, at least.
macOS Mail app is still the best native e-mail client in my experience. I have switched to Thunderbird full-time since I switched to Linux. Can confirm it supports unified inbox.
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#157«Manual Folder Sorting» — first, they broke 3rd party plugin for that. Next, author (not member of official Thunderbird team or employee of Mozilla) of this plugin spent more than 1 year pushing this functionality into base. Now they highlight it as big deal in new release without mention volunteer author of this BASIC feature which should be in mail client FROM VERSION 0.0.1! It is pity, that Google Mail is «good en…
> It is pity, that Google Mail is «good enough» and it killed development of good desktop e-mail clients. You have to remember that when Gmail was launched it was considerably better than most desktop mail clients at the time. It had auto-complete for who you wanted to email (prior you had to manually type their email address). It came with an eye watering amount of storage (1 GB). Worked from any computer (when POP…
It was not better for me than old FIDONet GoldEd 2.8x! It didn't (and doesn't) support proper threads, it supports effectively only top-quoting, it didn't (and doesn't) understand mailing lists in any way, it didn't support forward-as-attachment in both ways (now it supports it, though). Its filtering is still much more cumbersome than even Thunderbird one, not to say Sieve, and can be done only from web, but not from Android client. It doesn't support any crypto natively, both PGP or S/MIME.
Their are all features which I'm using daily (maybe, crypto is not daily, but still use sometimes).
Only good thing is labels, which is more flexible than tree folder structure. And, yes, full text search, obviously, as it is Google product.
As far as I remember, Thunderbird was not much worse than it is now, and it is supports most of this (though, quoting was and still is very weak, problem solved in FIDONet in 1990s!).
To be honest, I don't remember what was situation with address book and address autocompletion from it in Thundrbird before GMail, maybe there was none (but I will surprised, as, again, it worked in old TUI-based FIDONet client for DOS and OS/2), but this feature is trivial to implement in desktop app, and it could use LDAP or another centralized directory, not only addresses collected from your mail.
It was better than any web-mail, for sure, but better than desktop client? It is debatable.
1GB of storage is question of hosting, not client.
Update: Add to it modern gmail hate to self-hosting mail domains, and I could say that Google kills email as federated, free, non-vendor-dependent system. It is not surprise to me, of course, but still.
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#158I've been using a fork of Thunderbird called Betterbird ( https://www.betterbird.eu/ ) on Linux, mostly because I want to be able to minimize it to a systray icon. I know there are extensions like systray-x and birdtray, but I was having issues with these on Wayland. I wonder if this new version of Thunderbird finally added systray support on Linux/Wayland.
I won’t switch to BetterBird because the person behind it seems off. Feels a bit like switching to TempleOS.
That's... not a bad thing, though? Terry was an extremely competent engineer and programmer who designed his software to be as user-friendly, well-documented, and performant as possible.
I have conversed with Jörg, and he is blunt and fair in a good way (code itself is emotionless, after all). And, of course, he is highly competent. I have also conversed with several Mozilla teams, including Thunderbird, and the experiences were universally horrible, as in they lacked core competency. Naturally, YMMV.
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#159Earlier quoted context omitted.
First time I hear someone describe nausea from dark mode. Quickly looked astigmatism up on Wikipedia - isn't that something glasses fully correct? I think I've got this as well, but not sure, I've just always had glasses and take whatever they measure to be the best possible lens (Of course I critically evaluate the measurement, like one time I actually couldn't read faraway text with what they were proposing whereas…
I have glasses. They greatly ameliorate the issue, but not completely. My prescription is a single number which I don’t believe has the necessary granularity (I think, intervals of 0.25) to express the exact prescription I need. I also suspect that astigmatism is a deformation of parts of the eye that cannot be expressed with a single number. It’s possible I should have gone to an ophthalmologist instead of an optici…
Another comment I saw in the meantime, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44520306, proposes a mechanism for why one might have what I'd call ghosting if it were a computer screen (apparently it's called halation for eyes). That that can lead to nausea or generally feeling like things swim together and you can't see as well makes sense, this might explain a lot
I'll mention this to the friend and maybe we can do some tests in the dark with moving objects rather than just "can you see that thing there". Maybe after all these years we can get to the bottom of this issue they've had all these years :D
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#160I've been using a fork of Thunderbird called Betterbird ( https://www.betterbird.eu/ ) on Linux, mostly because I want to be able to minimize it to a systray icon. I know there are extensions like systray-x and birdtray, but I was having issues with these on Wayland. I wonder if this new version of Thunderbird finally added systray support on Linux/Wayland.
I just switched away from it again after it got delisted from nixpkgs due to lack of development[0][1] [0] https://search.nixos.org/packages?channel=25.05&from=0&size=... [1] Should be this one https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/351205
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https://github.com/Betterbird/thunderbird-patches/commits/ma...