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Re: Let Kids Be Loud

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Post by taeric »

dylan604 wrote: post #73
alfalfasprout wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TBH a lot of it is also a cultural shift toward being selfish. You notice it here in the comments as well. Combined with "karen" culture, people are more empowered than ever to complain about things. They forget that when they were kids, they'd be loud, play in their neighborhood, and get up to no good :) It's a real shame, this mentality is what's moved us away from a feeling of community.

I'm not sure about this being a new thing. I also think we've gone too far with the anti-karen whiplash and think everything before that was trendy was perfect. When I was a kid that got up to no good or was just being annoyingly loud, I would hear about it. There's always been an acceptable loud, like kids running around and playfully being loud at a park or playground. Going to the same playground with a loud stere…

Certainly, there were plenty of "dude, really?" moments when kids would go over on limits. It is hard not to think we haven't pushed the limits down to zero, though.

Granted, using smoking as an example is hilarious to me. I confess near zero sympathy for that going away. If anything, I'm pretty sure I'm more dumbfounded that people still smoke in any real numbers.

Re: Let Kids Be Loud

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Post by jancsika »

petercooper wrote: post #10

For years our neighborhood had an ice cream truck or two turn up a few days a week during summer, which we used to enjoy. This year, not a single one. I saw one of the trucks at a school fete and asked about it. The guy said one person had complained about the noise so the local council banned them after 7pm! With most of their sales falling between 6-9pm, they decided it wasn't worth it for one hour and moved on to…

> is a slippery slope to nowhere positive.

Both you and the author are rankly speculating.

Worse, the author is outright misleading:

> Trying to suppress that energy by demanding silence or defaulting to screens is damaging.

The word "damaging" links to an article by Haidt with evidence of damage from defaulting to screens, but decidedly not evidence of damage from demanding silence.

They make the same bait and switch with screen time in a separate paragraph, again with a link to a Haidt article.

I have to say I resent both you and the author for forcing me into having to side with boomers! But you have zero evidence that forcing kids to play sardines instead of tag is detrimental. Given that, I must begrudgingly respect the boomers' grudge and side with your local council's ban (or at least say that it appears innocuous). :(

Re: Let Kids Be Loud

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Post by ravenstine »

petercooper wrote: post #10

For years our neighborhood had an ice cream truck or two turn up a few days a week during summer, which we used to enjoy. This year, not a single one. I saw one of the trucks at a school fete and asked about it. The guy said one person had complained about the noise so the local council banned them after 7pm! With most of their sales falling between 6-9pm, they decided it wasn't worth it for one hour and moved on to…

Meanwhile, nobody does anything about all the crotch rockets and douche canoes with exhaust systems deliberately modified to be obnoxiously loud at any hour of the day.

Re: Let Kids Be Loud

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Post by rascul »

klank wrote: post #23
johnfn wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe because he was trying to make small talk and you insulted his profession?

OP mentioned "lawnmowers, weed whackers, and gasoline powered tools". That has nothing to do with standard carpentry.

Gasoline powered generators and air compressors that the carpenter might use to power tools can be quite noisy.

Re: Let Kids Be Loud

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Post by bitwize »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #70
gowld wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Presumably, the problem was the truck music, not the ice cream sales. There's a market opening for a travelling ice cream seller who doesn't play loud, obloxously noise on loop after 7pm.

Our local ice cream truck plays a very annoying jingle, coupled with a woman's voice saying "Hello?" in an obnoxious way. I haven't complained, because I'm not that kind of asshole, but something about that voice clip feels like stubbing my toe over and over again. If it were a regular jingle, I'd have no problem. Perhaps one that could be turned down so you don't hear it from halfway across town.

Was it this one?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_BF88VYRvE

The "hello" is bizarre. It's like something a weapon AI from Metal Gear Solid would do to flush out its enemy.

The tune is also weird. It's not a recognizable folk or children's tune, and it sounds vaguely Japanese, like background music from a Sega Pico game.

If I heard an ice cream truck playing this come down my street, I'd think I was in an episode of Black Mirror, or some sort of analog-horror scenario. I'd do my best to find a good hiding place and avoid being seen. (Maybe crouch in a cardboard box?)

Re: Let Kids Be Loud

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Post by YorickPeterse »

There's kids being noisy, which in itself isn't much of a problem, and then there's _Dutch kids_ being noisy, with the latter sounding more like a bunch of roosters at a heavy metal concert.

Re: Let Kids Be Loud

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Post by gilfoy »

ectospheno wrote: post #79
alfalfasprout wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TBH a lot of it is also a cultural shift toward being selfish. You notice it here in the comments as well. Combined with "karen" culture, people are more empowered than ever to complain about things. They forget that when they were kids, they'd be loud, play in their neighborhood, and get up to no good :) It's a real shame, this mentality is what's moved us away from a feeling of community.

Complaining about an ice cream truck you can hear in the back of your house while wearing noise cancelling headphones isn’t Karen culture.

It absolutely is. Gettin an ice cream truck banned from your neighborhood because you heard it drive by is the epitome of Karen behavior.

Re: Let Kids Be Loud

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Post by klank »

rascul wrote: post #85
klank wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OP mentioned "lawnmowers, weed whackers, and gasoline powered tools". That has nothing to do with standard carpentry.

Gasoline powered generators and air compressors that the carpenter might use to power tools can be quite noisy.

Of course. But we already established that OP struck a nerve. OP themselves said that. And nobody was confused about why they struck a nerve with the carpenter.

But this isn't a conversation about whether or not it was possible to connect from what OP said to "loud noises". We all seem to agree on that. Specifically it's a question of whether OP was targeting the carpenters profession. I can't see how OP did that.

I'm kind of surprised I'm still here arguing this. But hey, it's a slow day and I guess it struck a nerve with me for some reason. Hope you're having a good day too!

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