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I am Indian and I was confused when I first saw that phrase in a corporate setting. Only revert I knew was git revert.
What I’m learning from this thread is that there are at least as many ways of speaking English in India as there are in the UK. I’d noticed this with pronunciation (one colleague propels P and T sounds with explosive force, but none of the other Indians I work with do this), but I hadn’t picked up on grammar and vocabulary differences.
Introduction to Indian English
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#52Another common Indian word is prepone , the opposite of postpone. I have never come across the "where" example. The article misses out on many common usages, and cites some rather unremarkable ones.
The best I could devise is "progesternate" (via "gestern").
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#53I wonder if anyone has some insight... a bit of a sensitive question, but I've noticed my indian colleagues (PhDs) have a much more limited vocabulary compared to American colleagues. To the point where slightly archaic word or literary words are completely unusable in conversation. I have to consciously "talk simple" However, as I understand, higher education is all conducted in English... so it feels like there sho…
These days in my generation (Gen-Z) more youth watch movies and television series in English. Yet I find many of my more urbanized peers roll their eyes when I use a figure of speech i.e a metaphor.
In contrast, I picked up my language from technical books, blogs and documentation - and they sometimes find my choices of wording rather rude and insensitive.
I think I had to be more conscious about picking up the language because I did my early schooling in local language, and picked up reading English books on my own. For them it was natural in an urban environment. However, the urban english is "just enough" to get by. Since it is the "bureacratic" language (Indian schools too are as bureacratic as it can get), they had to be polite and standardized.
> However, as I understand, higher education is all conducted in English...
That english is way more limited, and higher education is way more mechanical than you folks have in the west.
> Is English language literature not widely read in school?
It depends on the quality of the education. I had the lower tier schooling (government-funded and similar). The English included is just rote-learned rather than understood - in high school we were expected to produce approximately same sentences as given in the textbooks, and any creativity in answers might lose grades!
There are better boards (school systems) like CBSE and ICSE, which are expensive and higher level. I have a few friends from ICSE who have much wider vocabulary than me. In the next generation, you will see Indians with better language skills, since most elite Indians now flock to these schooling systems.
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#54I wonder if anyone has some insight... a bit of a sensitive question, but I've noticed my indian colleagues (PhDs) have a much more limited vocabulary compared to American colleagues. To the point where slightly archaic word or literary words are completely unusable in conversation. I have to consciously "talk simple" However, as I understand, higher education is all conducted in English... so it feels like there sho…
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#55In my experience, at least some aspects of the Indian English exists because we Indians often mentally translate what we want to say from our native language (which are plentiful) to English before it comes out of our mouth. I don't imagine this is a uniquely Indian phenomenon – other non-native English speakers would be doing the same.
Even Irish people whose main language since birth is English do this. There's a verb in Gaeilge which does exist in English but is translated as "does be". Examples: - He does be eating his breakfast - She does be out walking the dog It's the continuous/habitual form of to be, so the implication is that she does be walking the dog everyday, or regularly. He does be eating his breakfast everyday. The interesting thing…
I am eating his breakfast.
She is out walking the dog.
https://www.grammar-monster.com/glossary/present_progressive...
To argue with myself, smarter people than I have claimed the same construction as yours in AAVE. Check the section on tense here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African-American_Vernacular_En...
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#56One typical expression that stuck with me is "[please] do the needful" (often used when assigning Jira tickets to someone else).
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Saying this as someone whose first language is Hindi, I have never used this word nor heard anyone else use it. I think whatever similarities there are might be coincidental. Can't say about other Indian languages.
It comes from Sanskrit[1] and is fairly common in languages which use Sanskrit derived terms in large numbers eg some dialects of Bengali, but more importantly “sarkari” (government) Hindi which is way more Sanskitized vs regular Hindi. Regular Hindi even in the Gangetic plains is way more “hybrid”, and this is way before you come to eg Mumbai Hindi. Here’s the term in gov.in: https://www.google.com/search?q=%E0%A4%9…
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#58I wonder if anyone has some insight... a bit of a sensitive question, but I've noticed my indian colleagues (PhDs) have a much more limited vocabulary compared to American colleagues. To the point where slightly archaic word or literary words are completely unusable in conversation. I have to consciously "talk simple" However, as I understand, higher education is all conducted in English... so it feels like there sho…
> much more limited vocabulary These days in my generation (Gen-Z) more youth watch movies and television series in English. Yet I find many of my more urbanized peers roll their eyes when I use a figure of speech i.e a metaphor. In contrast, I picked up my language from technical books, blogs and documentation - and they sometimes find my choices of wording rather rude and insensitive. I think I had to be more consc…
Thanks! There are a lot of little illuminating details in your story :)
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#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
I am Indian and I was confused when I first saw that phrase in a corporate setting. Only revert I knew was git revert.
What I’m learning from this thread is that there are at least as many ways of speaking English in India as there are in the UK. I’d noticed this with pronunciation (one colleague propels P and T sounds with explosive force, but none of the other Indians I work with do this), but I hadn’t picked up on grammar and vocabulary differences.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspirated_consonant
Aspiration is contrastive in some Indian languages but not in English. (It's regular in most native speakers' English, but never distinguishes words by its presence or absence.) I could imagine that some Indian language speakers would learn to pronounce English /p/, /t/ consistently as [p], [t] and others consistently as [pʰ], [tʰ], even though English native speakers would have this difference in realization conditioned by other things.
The [pʰ], [tʰ] versions would probably sound "louder" or "stronger" when they occur in unusual contexts in English (I guess, I don't have enough control over aspiration in my speech to record a useful sample; maybe I could synthesize it?).
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#60(1) The use of "only" for emphasis. https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/107454/indian-en...
(2) In an academic setting, people often use "doubt" to mean question. For example, at the end of a lesson, a teacher might say "Does anyone have any doubts?"
(3) Another verb which can be used intransitively is "wish". For example, "I wished Ravi on his birthday".