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IKEA ditches Zigbee for Thread going all in on Matter smart homes

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Re: IKEA ditches Zigbee for Thread going all in on Matter smart homes

#71
I use some sort of cobbled together solution with Philips Vue lights, a couple of LIFX lights, halfway set up HomeKit, the Vue app, some Alexa integration, some sort of gateway that I believe connects Zigbee to my LAN...

.. but all I can remember from growing up is the X-10 POWERHOUSE

Re: IKEA ditches Zigbee for Thread going all in on Matter smart homes

#73

This sucks. Matter is a closed ecosystem, enforced using a public key infrastructure (PKI) and device attestation certificates. Thread seems to require paying royalties if you want to ship devices. It’s disappointing that IKEA claims that this move is towards a more open ecosystem. On top of that, the switch breaks compatibility with existing hardware (except for the Touchlink functionality). If you have a bunch of Z…

What a shit load of disinformation you are spreading. Read up on Matter and Thread, please.

Re: IKEA ditches Zigbee for Thread going all in on Matter smart homes

#74

Unfortunately, the writing's on the wall for mainstream adoption of Zigbee. For me, Leviton not making any more Zigbee smart switches was the last straw and I've prioritized Z-wave devices where possible. I also get much better performance out of Z-wave. Sad to see though, as the Zigbee devices I do have are working just fine. I don't really get the point of Matter or Thread when Z-wave works so well.

It's pretty straightforward: Z-Wave is a closed (one company owns and controls the tech and brand) hub-bound mesh, and really should've been displaced by an open solution long ago. Matter is an industry-standard IPv6-based application layer that works over Thread (the successor to ZigBee) and Wi-Fi.

Re: IKEA ditches Zigbee for Thread going all in on Matter smart homes

#75

This sucks. Matter is a closed ecosystem, enforced using a public key infrastructure (PKI) and device attestation certificates. Thread seems to require paying royalties if you want to ship devices. It’s disappointing that IKEA claims that this move is towards a more open ecosystem. On top of that, the switch breaks compatibility with existing hardware (except for the Touchlink functionality). If you have a bunch of Z…

That's incorrect. Matter is an open standard.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matter_(standard)

Re: IKEA ditches Zigbee for Thread going all in on Matter smart homes

#76

RIP. The ikea zigbee stuff was close to being best in class. Matter is still an unusable mess.

In my experience, Matter already works better than Zigbee and Z-Wave ever did, and it gets better every year. I'm interested in what your unusable mess of a system consists of, if you don't mind elaborating.

Re: IKEA ditches Zigbee for Thread going all in on Matter smart homes

#77

This sucks. Matter is a closed ecosystem, enforced using a public key infrastructure (PKI) and device attestation certificates. Thread seems to require paying royalties if you want to ship devices. It’s disappointing that IKEA claims that this move is towards a more open ecosystem. On top of that, the switch breaks compatibility with existing hardware (except for the Touchlink functionality). If you have a bunch of Z…

Yeah and matter needs internet access in many cases. It was supposed to be the saviour of open home automation. But in practice it leaves too many strings attached that the manufacturer can take advantage of. And despite it not being open enough for open source enthusiasts, it's also got a bad name with manufacturers. I work for one and I asked why we wouldn't implement matter and thread and it was laughed off becaus…

> Why were thread and matter hailed as the open revolution when they're exactly the opposite?

Because consumers are lazy and dumb, and do not do any kind of research. They believe what is written on the tin. Why is OpenAI called "open"?

Re: IKEA ditches Zigbee for Thread going all in on Matter smart homes

#78

This sucks. Matter is a closed ecosystem, enforced using a public key infrastructure (PKI) and device attestation certificates. Thread seems to require paying royalties if you want to ship devices. It’s disappointing that IKEA claims that this move is towards a more open ecosystem. On top of that, the switch breaks compatibility with existing hardware (except for the Touchlink functionality). If you have a bunch of Z…

> If you have a bunch of Zigbee devices, but at some point want to add some of the new ones, you need to start thinking about replacing all the perfectly working Zigbee devices or have a fragmented network. Yes, if you're using the manufacturer's half-assed smartphone app, but if you're on Home Assistant, like basically anyone who's serious about their smart home, having multiple kinds of smart devices isn't really a…

zigbee has one great advantage over everything else: it's immune to DHCP and DNS failures and misconfigurations. if you're running a pihole or something, it can break iot devices in random ways if your DHCP server boots after your access points. (don't ask me how I know and the fix was to hard reboot my lights by cycling power in the distribution box. not great, not terrible.)

Re: IKEA ditches Zigbee for Thread going all in on Matter smart homes

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post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not just tend to, have to. Matter certification requires flash encryption and FW signing.

Are these requirements public? I was working on a Matter device but it never got certified due to high cost/lack of customer demand.

Matter specifies that all firmware images must be signed so the device can verify authenticity before installation, ensuring they haven’t been tampered with. Matter further requires mechanisms to prevent unauthorized firmware execution and ensure that firmware can't be downgraded.

Matter states that firmware images “may be encrypted.” This is not a requirement, though encryption is allowed and may add security

(https://community.arm.com/arm-community-blogs/b/internet-of-...)

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