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Re: Zorin OS

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I also enjoyed Unity, we're in a minority. But I've found Ubuntu with Gnome 46 and a few tweaks to offer most of what I like about Unity (and macOS).

The "few tweaks" is exactly the problem.

On windows you have to apply "a few tweaks" just to get the start bar to stop showing advertising and work as it should. Windows users in the modern day have to do way more tweaks than Linux users do just to get a functional and unobtrusive operating system.

Re: Zorin OS

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I'm surprised to hear that about Linux Mint. I installed it on an ancient laptop for my octogenarian mother and she could get around in it just fine after I explained to her how to use their 'store' to install apps. The interface is quite intuitive, I felt.

My guess is if you are comfortable on Windows then Mint is perfect and works how you expect, if you come from macOS then perhaps Elementary would be better for you. Zorin negates this worry entirely and allows you to install one OS for everyone and then just choose the Windows or Mac mode depending on the end-user.

I was under the impression that elementary had stopped being as good since the pandemic because of the founder leaving. Is that not true?

Re: Zorin OS

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So clearly it is misleading, because what they mean is definitely along the lines of "we include GIMP while Photoshop costs $999".

I don't think that's misleading. There are a lot of people out there who aren't aware that free software exists that provides a lot of the functionality of software that costs $999. They clearly say "alternatives to".

But gimp doesn't provide the functionality of software that costs $999. That's why it's misleading. It's probably more like Affinity Photo which is £68.

Re: Zorin OS

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I hope this succeeds where others have, well, not failed, but not had overwhelming success. Years ago I installed Linux Mint on a family member's computer but they got frustrated enough with it (and required my regular intervention enough) that we ended up switching away. Zorin boasting about you being able to play "an enormous library of your favorite games" or boasting about the vast software library feels like ask…

The advantage of Zorin is that it comes with some level of Wine integration. If it detects that there's a Linux version of a Windows installer, it'll guide the user towards the Linux version instead, but opening .EXEs works quite well out of the box as well.

Getting a recent version of Wine on anything but Arch-based distros without some kind of confusing intermediary is quite tricky, so making Wine somewhat usable goes a long way for non-tech-savvy users.

I've seen Zorin on computers sold for cheap in several second-hand stores. All PCs that have no hope of running Windows 11 (and probably struggled to run Windows 10 before getting a RAM+SSD upgrade). For reusing old tech, it's not a bad solution, though some users might have someone install Windows 10 later anyway.

Re: Zorin OS

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I’m glad that there are distros catering towards less techy people. Linux needs this. But I take issue with selling open source projects that could otherwise be downloaded for free. The $48 Pro version resells open source software (Blender is mentioned on their website) and slaps on a few themes. Even if legal, this just seems highly unethical.

> But I take issue with selling open source projects that could otherwise be downloaded for free.

Why should they concern themselves with you taking issue? What I mean is what gives you the right to have an opinion on their conduct?

Re: Zorin OS

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I hope this succeeds where others have, well, not failed, but not had overwhelming success. Years ago I installed Linux Mint on a family member's computer but they got frustrated enough with it (and required my regular intervention enough) that we ended up switching away. Zorin boasting about you being able to play "an enormous library of your favorite games" or boasting about the vast software library feels like ask…

> Zorin boasting about you being able to play "an enormous library of your favorite games" or boasting about the vast software library feels like asking for trouble. It won't be long before users run into rough edges. Out of the top 1000 games on steam: https://www.protondb.com/dashboard 29 are "borked" (unplayable) 26 are "bronze" (issues playing like "might crash") 82 are "silver" ("runs with minor issues but is pl…

Proton isn't Wine. The version of Wine that Zorin ships won't run games quite so well.

Installing Steam and running games through Steam will fix that, but it won't help with users downloading the Epic Game Store or GOG or the Rockstar Launcher.

Having helped a few users get acclimated with Linux, I've found that there are always a few rough edges around games. Zorin seems to hide them very well out of the box, though, much better than any of the other distros I've tried.

Re: Zorin OS

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "few tweaks" is exactly the problem.

On windows you have to apply "a few tweaks" just to get the start bar to stop showing advertising and work as it should. Windows users in the modern day have to do way more tweaks than Linux users do just to get a functional and unobtrusive operating system.

Which Linux users, from the myriad of Dritrowach rankings?

And no, many normies use Windows just as out of factory, as anyone that has had to fix the cousin's computer during a holidays visit is well aware.

Re: Zorin OS

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“Bundled with alternatives to over $5,000 of professional software” That sounds spammy and misleading to me. I’m assuming they’re just including open source alternatives and assuming the same value as commercial offerings.

I would add - I don't mind them describing it like that, the questionable part is how the advertising heavily implies that to get access to that software you have to buy the "Pro" version. The software is of course free and available to install on the "non-pro" version, it just doesn't get installed during installation, and they're definitely betting on people not knowing this detail and buying "Pro" to get the liste…

You also get support with the Pro version.

Re: Zorin OS

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Zorin is one of the best distros to recommend to noobs. - Ubuntu based, so it has full compatibility with every .deb package that you find online - Not actually Ubuntu, so it doesn't have that weird Canonical corporate push stuff (ads in terminal, etc.) - Has a .exe hook preinstalled that asks you if you want to install Wine to run Windows apps - Has a very Windows-like layout so it's instantly familiar (which is not…

I've not used ubuntu for some time, but - Ubuntu based, so it has full compatibility with every .deb package that you find online I don't think that .deb files are universally portable.

You need the .deb files to match your architecture and to have the necessary dependencies available, but for programs like Google Chrome, Discord, and VSCode, those dependencies seem to come down to "any recent version of glibc and openssl" and the .debs themselves are available for multiple architectures.

You're not going to be installing random Debian packages from the Debian FTP server, but for most proprietary software that resorts to "install this .deb", it'll work most of the time, which beats many other distributions.

On the other hand, installing software this way is a great way for upgrades to the next major version to fail spectacularly halfway through, so I'm not so sure if it's a feature or not.

Re: Zorin OS

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Without Pro, I cannot choose macOS style interface at all? I think that looks the best.

The macOS style looks very close to out-of-the-box Gnome from what I can tell.

There are free themes that will also look like macOS if going for the macOS look is your goal: https://forum.zorin.com/t/making-zorin-os-look-like-macos-bi...

Comes down to installing WhiteSur, a few fonts, and an icon pack.

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