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Re: Google can now read your WhatsApp messages

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I just switched to /e/os. Soooo no the fuck they can't! God. That feels good. Everyone should try this.

Or GrapheneOS, the best way to thank Google for making Pixel :). (Until they have their own phone.)

(Until they have their own phone.)

... looks over at Framework

Re: Google can now read your WhatsApp messages

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The line is blurry. Google is positioning Gemini not just as an app, but as a OS level feature. The OS can by definition reach into any third-app app to do anything it wants. I'll give some more examples of OS-level features in case it's not clear: copy/paste is an OS-level feature and it is designed to extract arbitrary text or content from third party apps (copy) and insert them into third party apps (paste); scree…

> Google is positioning Gemini not just as an app, but as a OS level feature Eeewww. We need a mobile OS competitor. I am seriously considering a move to Fairphone with /e/os. GrapheneOS would be a possibility, but I don't trust Google to make decent hardware, so not super excited to get a Pixel phone.

I definitely had to tweak the settings a lot for the battery to not get warm on my Pixel. But after a week I managed and battery life is better than with comparable phones since the background bloat isn't there on Graphene.

So far there was a solution for everything, I don't do online banking on the phone though.

I wonder if LineageOS might solve this problem already though, /e/os probably would as well

Re: Google can now read your WhatsApp messages

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post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The line is blurry. Google is positioning Gemini not just as an app, but as a OS level feature. The OS can by definition reach into any third-app app to do anything it wants. I'll give some more examples of OS-level features in case it's not clear: copy/paste is an OS-level feature and it is designed to extract arbitrary text or content from third party apps (copy) and insert them into third party apps (paste); scree…

> Google is positioning Gemini not just as an app, but as a OS level feature Eeewww. We need a mobile OS competitor. I am seriously considering a move to Fairphone with /e/os. GrapheneOS would be a possibility, but I don't trust Google to make decent hardware, so not super excited to get a Pixel phone.

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Re: Google can now read your WhatsApp messages

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The whole situation with Gemini Apps Activity setting is so frustrating. Even if I pay for Gemini Pro, the only way to make sure there will be no human looking at your chats is to set Apps Activity to off, which means you don't have any history for Gemini chats, even for the messages from a minute ago.

Reminiscent of their heavy handed approach to disabling watch history on YouTube, even when paying for YouTube Premium. (Google punishes viewers who make themselves less valuable to advertisers by giving them an entirely blank homepage.)

That was a blessing in disguise though. Its way easier for me to not binge youtube now

Re: Google can now read your WhatsApp messages

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post #82

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The line is blurry. Google is positioning Gemini not just as an app, but as a OS level feature. The OS can by definition reach into any third-app app to do anything it wants. I'll give some more examples of OS-level features in case it's not clear: copy/paste is an OS-level feature and it is designed to extract arbitrary text or content from third party apps (copy) and insert them into third party apps (paste); scree…

The fact that Google would find it to be convenient for the line to be blurry doesn't mean that anybody looking at it in good faith sees the line as blurry.

Google is an advertising company. Apple is a consumer hardware company. Who would you trust more with your data? It’s that simple (irrespective of the ground truth, simply referring to the optics of it).

Re: Google can now read your WhatsApp messages

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Because people collectively vote for the ad model over the subscription model.

As we have all learned, ad and subscription models aren't mutually exclusive. You can still get ads while paying for a subscription. In fact, I don't believe the ad model would have gone away if everyone started paying for a subscription. The bottom tier would still be filled with ads. Ideally, the market would solve this. The companies that are pushing annoying would lose customers to the companies that don't. But s…

Ad subsidized subscriptions are cheaper.

I don't see what people find so grating about having a ad-load/cost spectrum. Maybe it's just confusion about the billing model.

Re: Google can now read your WhatsApp messages

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Personally, I prefer AI to stay in its own corner. Let ChatGPT, Gemini, and the rest be something I open when I need them, like a website or an app. I'm not really into the whole "everything should have AI built into it" idea. It kind of reminds me of how the internet used to be. Back then, you had to go to a specific room to use the family computer. The internet was something you visited. Now, tech is everywhere, fr…

Agreed the privacy that keeping AI "in a corner" appeals to me too. The fundamental catch here is that 80%+ of the future benefit will likely come from the very thing that erodes privacy: deep integration and context. Imagine if a Gemini had your entire life in its context (haha scary I know!), prompting would be so much more powerful. That's the core, uncomfortable trade-off we're all facing now.

It's not an uncomfortable tradeoff to me. These systems being deeply integrated is simply too high of a price to pay. I cannot imagine a future benefit so great that it would be worth that.

Re: Google can now read your WhatsApp messages

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Dear god! Are you sure? If I ever sensed a forkable event for Android...

Well, really the line was crossed when Google Play Services got special privileges (and third party app developers were encouraged to call on Google Play Services as the only practical way to do various things, some of which maybe should have been part of the OS). And the "assistant" crap, and whatever else. ... and GraphenOS isn't exactly a fork , but it's plugging away, fighting the good fight, doing things like ma…

Yes, but GrapheneOS has lost access to Pixel specific drivers/etc, with the repo changes Google made?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44256604

Re: Google can now read your WhatsApp messages

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> Imagine if a Gemini had your entire life in its context (haha scary I know!) Windows Recall [1] is this for your PC activities (not yet fed to AI, but I see no reason to think it will stay this way). Meta is working on glasses to record the IRL part. But your phone is probably enough for most of it. Joining Zoom meetings with AI note takers is getting popular [2]. Not long until in-person meetings will have AI list…

If I can have the AI agent attend the meeting for me in the first place, and then provide me the notes that's the winning play. Take the morning stand-up: all the developers' agents know what they are working on and what any blockers are. They can all exchange information in a virtual AI meeting and then send the notes around. Meanwhile all the developers are getting something productive done.

Reminds me of this https://youtu.be/VcHc54Z_b3w
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