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Apple just released a weirdly interesting coding language model

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Re: Apple just released a weirdly interesting coding language model

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Here's the paper that they wrote: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2506.20639 It's notable that this was an intern project.

I mean tbh industry research labs pump out a lot of good research due to them being intern projects (as in you have an army of passionate interns)

Re: Apple just released a weirdly interesting coding language model

#12
Points I thought were interesting:

> Apple’s model is built on top of Qwen2.5‑7B, an open-source foundation model from Alibaba. Alibaba first fine-tuned that model for better code generation (as Qwen2.5‑Coder‑7B), then Apple took it and made its own adjustments.

> it still doesn’t quite reach the level of GPT-4 or Gemini Diffusion.

Re: Apple just released a weirdly interesting coding language model

#13

Does diffusion allow for 'size editing'? Unsure how to ask this, or if this (most likely) reveals a fundamental misunderstanding of my own, but: for an image, the size is set (say, 256x256.) For text, if each token were a pixel, it's very small. The article image showed text colour-coded by generation order. What if it would need to, say, insert another line for the rest of a comment sentence? How would it even know…

Yes, block diffusion for example generates fixed-size blocks of text, but can dynamically change the number of blocks.

The Zed team recently posted a pretty good intro to diffusion models for text: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oot4O9wMohw

Re: Apple just released a weirdly interesting coding language model

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post #4

Short version: A Qwen-2.5 7b model that has been turned into a diffusion model. A couple notable things: first is that you can do this at all, (left to right model -> out of order diffusion via finetuning) which is really interesting. Second, the final version beats original by a small margin on some benchmarks. Third is that it’s in the ballpark of Gemini diffusion, although not competitive — to be expected for any…

Without having tried it, what I keep getting surprised with is how apparently widely different architectures (and in other cases training data) lead to very similar outcomes. I'd expect results to vary a lot more.

Re: Apple just released a weirdly interesting coding language model

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Jetbrains has 100MB models of languages for their IDEs that can auto complete single lines. It's good but I think we can do better for local code auto complete. I hope Apple succeeds in their on device AI attempts.

Is any of the Jetbrains offerings even competitive. I jumped shipped from Pycharm and have tried their AI offerings a few times since release but was always wildly impressed at how far behind they were of the competition.

Re: Apple just released a weirdly interesting coding language model

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post #4

Short version: A Qwen-2.5 7b model that has been turned into a diffusion model. A couple notable things: first is that you can do this at all, (left to right model -> out of order diffusion via finetuning) which is really interesting. Second, the final version beats original by a small margin on some benchmarks. Third is that it’s in the ballpark of Gemini diffusion, although not competitive — to be expected for any…

> At some point these local models will get good enough for ‘real work’

Are these small models good enough for anything but autocomplete?

Re: Apple just released a weirdly interesting coding language model

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post #4

Short version: A Qwen-2.5 7b model that has been turned into a diffusion model. A couple notable things: first is that you can do this at all, (left to right model -> out of order diffusion via finetuning) which is really interesting. Second, the final version beats original by a small margin on some benchmarks. Third is that it’s in the ballpark of Gemini diffusion, although not competitive — to be expected for any…

> At some point these local models will get good enough for ‘real work’ Are these small models good enough for anything but autocomplete?

Isn't that all they're designed for?

They predict more than just the second half of a word you are typing, but at the end of the day they're still just predicting what a human would have typed.

Re: Apple just released a weirdly interesting coding language model

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> At some point these local models will get good enough for ‘real work’ Are these small models good enough for anything but autocomplete?

Isn't that all they're designed for? They predict more than just the second half of a word you are typing, but at the end of the day they're still just predicting what a human would have typed.

I'm disappointed because I don't use autocomplete.

Re: Apple just released a weirdly interesting coding language model

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post #4

Short version: A Qwen-2.5 7b model that has been turned into a diffusion model. A couple notable things: first is that you can do this at all, (left to right model -> out of order diffusion via finetuning) which is really interesting. Second, the final version beats original by a small margin on some benchmarks. Third is that it’s in the ballpark of Gemini diffusion, although not competitive — to be expected for any…

> At some point these local models will get good enough for ‘real work’ Are these small models good enough for anything but autocomplete?

Given that's 99% of my usage of it, that alone would make me quite happy.
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