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Open letter accuses BBC board member of having a conflict of interest on Gaza

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Re: Open letter accuses BBC board member of having a conflict of interest on Gaza

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It's worth noting the BBC has also been accused of an anti-Israel bias including but not limited to airing a documentary produced by a Hamas linked individuals[1]. [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c07zz5937llo

The fact that they have the same complaint from both "sides" suggests to me that they are doing a good job providing balanced coverage.

In todays times, both sides will always complain anyway.

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Yes, the coverage of this has been a weird one to watch. How does this remark differ from what the Israeli government regularly says about the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, just as much an official body in Iran as the IDF is in Israel? No one, to my knowledge, would consider calling for the demise of the IRGC to be hate speech against Iranians. No one has ever shut off a live transmission of a Netanyahu speech b…

Nobody chants "death to the IRGC" in music festivals in Israel (or anywhere in Israel). Not to mention we're talking a third party here, the UK. The Israeli government doesn't say "Death to the IRGC". Iran however regularly (like weekly) has massive crowds chanting "Death to the USA" and "death to Israel", stepping on and burning Israeli and American flags. Israel consistently says they consider the Iranians their fr…

And Iran sponsors Jewish groups that are critical of the state of Israel. Both sides claim to be critical solely of the other's state, never the people. Sadly, neither side is credible in this, there's ample evidence of prejudice and hatred all round.

Re: Open letter accuses BBC board member of having a conflict of interest on Gaza

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Let's help you make sense of this: - Israel is at war with Gaza after it was attacked by Gaza. This war will end as soon as Hamas surrenders and the hostages are returned. Could have ended a long time ago. - Gaza is ruled by Hamas that just like Bob Vylan advocates for the murder of all Israelis and Jews. That is the genocidal party to this conflict, by their own declaration and actions. - The correct analogy is the…

At this point what you're doing is tantamount to writing long essays trying to convince people that the Earth is flat. It is very very obviously a genocide — probably the most well-documented one since the Shoah! — and everyone but the most hardline Israel supporters can see that. There's a reason that support for Israel in the US has dropped to just 12% among Democrats. [1] Even among Republicans, it's down 18 perce…

This argument seems so counterproductive to me. Israel is obviously committing war crimes, attempting ethnic cleansing and any number of other horrible violations of international law and common standards.

But I don't see how it is committing genocide. They are not trying to destroy the people, the genus. There are 2+ mill people in Gaza and with all those bombs they killed 100k or less? Basically that is just what urban warfare looks like.

This is like the Diddy trial, where you give the perp a way out by overprosecuting.

Re: Open letter accuses BBC board member of having a conflict of interest on Gaza

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Offending or over-accusing sides of this conflict is a very asymmetric risk. Misrepresent Palestinians negatively and you may eventually get an angry, vague letter - with a quarter of signatories doing so anonymously. Misrepresent Israelis negatively and you get very powerful and well-organised protests. BBC is sadly doing the rational thing of staying clear of suggesting Israel may be doing some bad things. It is a…

There was a study about negative bias towards Israel at the BBC. It contradicts your explanation. Do you have a single example of a protest you try to summon here? I very much doubt it.

BBC had a report from 2006[1] which admitted that its coverage was biased towards Israel on top all the recent coverage.

> - that a disparity (in favour of Israelis) existed in BBC coverage taken as a whole in the amount of talk time given to Israelis and Palestinians;

Do you have any credible source that shows the opposite?

[1]: https://downloads.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/assets/files/pdf/our_wo...

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I'm starting to realize, very belatedly in life, that we suffer from an end-of-history illusion in politics and political economy. I used to think we live in a golden age because a hundred years ago, democracy broadly replaced monarchies, market economies replaced feudalism and other coercive systems, and with it went many of the old, indirect mechanisms of subjugating large populations (e.g. moral imperatives throug…

Consider how insignificant your worries will seem to future generations in one, two, ten centuries from now. Or maybe you think we’ll destroy the world or something, in which case that’s “chicken little syndrome.” It’s hard to imagine we will regress in any meaningful way. That’s basically never happened, and even when it did, during the “dark ages,” we recovered – on a long enough timeline (which isn’t even that lon…

The way I look at it - you can be optimistic and hope that your actions can have a positive effect on your life and the world - if you’re wrong, you’re no more fucked than if you’d been pessimistic the whole time, and you at least felt better during said time.

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Isn’t military service in Israel compulsory?

You must refuse to participate in the forces committing these acts.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=MQ1TAOibLss

And if the state is compelling its subjects to participate, let's have an honest discussion about what that says about this state.

Re: Open letter accuses BBC board member of having a conflict of interest on Gaza

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At this point what you're doing is tantamount to writing long essays trying to convince people that the Earth is flat. It is very very obviously a genocide — probably the most well-documented one since the Shoah! — and everyone but the most hardline Israel supporters can see that. There's a reason that support for Israel in the US has dropped to just 12% among Democrats. [1] Even among Republicans, it's down 18 perce…

This argument seems so counterproductive to me. Israel is obviously committing war crimes, attempting ethnic cleansing and any number of other horrible violations of international law and common standards. But I don't see how it is committing genocide. They are not trying to destroy the people, the genus. There are 2+ mill people in Gaza and with all those bombs they killed 100k or less? Basically that is just what u…

Here's another comment I left in response to this same person (YZF) [1] with 13 examples of Israeli MKs and other government officials declaring their intent to kill civilians. Many of these are explicit calls for genocide.

That was in December 2023, after two months, when the death toll was only around 17,000 [2]. It's now been 19 months of near constant siege; if you check Wikipedia, as of today the official count is around 58,000 people killed directly. That's likely to be a vast undercount of the total number of deaths: an estimated 64,620 had died from traumatic injury by June 2024 [3], and probably many thousands more from malnutrition and disease. There are also thousands of uncounted bodies buried under the rubble. Israel has (intentionally) destroyed almost every hospital in Gaza, damaged or destroyed at least 92% of residential buildings [4] and cut off all food and water at least twice (and repeatedly massacred civilians at aid sites).

Do you really think fewer than 100k people have died as a result of this?

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38576316

[2] https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/how-many-palestini...

[3] https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6...

[4] https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/04/1162491

Re: Open letter accuses BBC board member of having a conflict of interest on Gaza

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They also regularly say there are no innocent Palestinians [1] [2] [3] [too many others to count] but weirdly it's not considered evidence of genocidal intent when Zionists say it! [1] https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/israel-posts-video... [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eICdhG1qgI [3] https://mondoweiss.net/2025/07/poll-overwhelming-majority-of...

A minority of Israelis do say this. It's not something shouted in a music festival e.g. The official position and policy of the IDF is that Israel does not target civilians. I would say the majority of Israelis do not agree with this statement. [EDIT: for clarity that there are no innocents in Gaza] Not to justify but they (the minority) are partly referring to the complicity of random Palestinians in cheering and pa…

64% of Israelis is not a minority.

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>>It was also found to have attached “Hamas-run health ministry” to Palestinian casualty figures in 1,155 articles – almost every time the Palestinian death toll was referenced across BBC articles. > Why is this an issue? In the Russsia-Ukranie war for instance, if you cite casualty figures from Russia, it's pretty obvious that it's from the Kremlin. The Gaza Health Ministry is actually Hamas run, and that fact isn't…

>Hamas is the legitimate government of Palestine. They might have defacto control, but most countries don't recognize Hamas as the "legitimate government". >Hamas is the legitimate government of Palestine. "Health Ministry" would be just as accurate and much less biased than "Hamas-run Health Ministry". The implicit accusation of bias against them by emphasizing the identity of the source is also extremely glaring wh…

> They might have defacto control, but most countries don't recognize Hamas as the "legitimate government".

They might be murderous terrorists, but they were, in fact, elected in as free an election as Gaza was likely to get.

They're as much a legitimate government there as the current US administration is here.

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