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Where are the GenZ multi millionaires and billionaires?

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Re: Where are the GenZ multi millionaires and billionaires?

#11

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Aha, so Aristotle would say high-D types have an excess of prudence (or at least phronesis, in the sense of knowing how to turn affairs to one's own advantage) as well as a deficiency of justice?

Maybe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicomachean_Ethics Not all researchers in that field would 100% agree but I see D as the old dark triad (Narcissism, Machiavellianism, Psychopathy) plus Sadism which is conspicuously absent from the triad. My own take is that the modern moral rot is founded in Narcissism as described in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Culture_of_Narcissism which was thought to be about the 1970s…

Perfect time to have committed the (light) cavalry!

) I've been struggling to relocate some old convos so full responses will take some time :( So here I trade prudence for urgency :)

>The_Long_Con

I expect to find discussions of (at least) 2 time-scales there :)

(OT? Note that "prudence" morphed into "prude" (=prig) ... Only if you care to bite this "Calvinist" bait!)

>plus Sadism

Have to also revisit old Convo about "more cruelty than [absolutely?] necessary" VS psychopaths extracting benefits from win-win games

While looking for DISC numbers for Taiwan vs China (& similar studies comparing states of (Maha)Bharat)

https://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/16/14/2613

>In other words, only by enhancing the competitiveness of individuals in the job market and acquiring problem-solving skills, can they enhance their psychological satisfaction.

Reminds me of Thiel's cooperate internally, compete externally. (? Generalizing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bartle_taxonomy_of_player_type...)

I'm vibing that rightwingers prefer streaming because of the compressed time scales, while lefties prefer blogs because the game becomes more "iterated".. this "explains" (institution-supported) percolation of lefty narcissists attempting to cross timescales?

>I'd wish the losers could become psychopaths by having [per Aristotle... or Jefferson] some business *of their own* which they could mind. (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42254503)

Been mulling this (emphasis mine) as well.. that comment sounds now like giving GenA/Z Psycho-Ed (like Sex-Ed but not conducted by prigs)

Secondarily, their savings rate is not going where Thiel expects, which means one's gotta encourage them to redirect these savings to bootstrap their businesses

Psycho-Ed -> Psycho'ed (=purely motivational) venkatrao had a post teasing motivation vs meaning -- also 2 time-scales

https://contraptions.venkateshrao.com/p/be-history-or-do-his...

Reflexively, I'd guess that GenAZ can break the cycle because they can (potentially) get a more accurate sense of history than millennials. (Worse state capacity for formal education can help?) You'd want to look at ethnocultural crossovers in NYC (it looks promising that ICE is targeting Turkish agitators, because among frenemy immigrants, their polarization entropy most closely approximates that of the host nation-- ime)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42956827

[Only]>good at ripping off and seducing other High D people.

Thus suggesting that both sama & YC are high-D :) One would have to shake-off accusations of envy from the narcissists/prigs, if one weren't cool enough

Update: before today I was thinking that, unlike the further left, right+center+epsilon have always been able to coalesce around the very reasonable idea that institutions are fundamentally good (compared to the leftist version for individuals) but Paul's subaltern comment makes me wonder also about timescales with respect to genz/a building their own alt (LOW-KEY) institutions

Lagniappe https://youtu.be/qvdt2FZ0_B8

(Outcool'd Jeff goldblum from Jurassic park lol)

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Re: Where are the GenZ multi millionaires and billionaires?

#12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aha, so Aristotle would say high-D types have an excess of prudence (or at least phronesis, in the sense of knowing how to turn affairs to one's own advantage) as well as a deficiency of justice?

Maybe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicomachean_Ethics Not all researchers in that field would 100% agree but I see D as the old dark triad (Narcissism, Machiavellianism, Psychopathy) plus Sadism which is conspicuously absent from the triad. My own take is that the modern moral rot is founded in Narcissism as described in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Culture_of_Narcissism which was thought to be about the 1970s…

https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/books/97/01/19/r...

>In defending this ''union of desire and esteem,'' Lasch reveals himself as a true puritan -- not in the pejorative sense of being prudish, but in the sense of believing that good societies (on the small scale of families and the large scale of political communities) can be sustained only if desire is sanctified by respect. This is why the New England Puritans (to whom Lasch grew increasingly sympathetic as he grew older) thought of marriage as a ''miniature commonwealth,'' a model for human relations in which

  appetite and obligations are held in delicate balance. Lasch agrees, which is why he may be fairly described as an economic liberal and a cultural conservative
-- a liberal who thinks that humane societies must curb excesses of wealth and poverty, a conservative who thinks that individual members of such societies should be held accountable to a standard of personal responsibility.

Emphasis mine: Edwardian Liberal

But also:

"The feminist movement,..., far from civilizing corporate capitalism, has been corrupted by it. It has adopted mercantile habits of thought as its own.

Re: Where are the GenZ multi millionaires and billionaires?

#13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicomachean_Ethics Not all researchers in that field would 100% agree but I see D as the old dark triad (Narcissism, Machiavellianism, Psychopathy) plus Sadism which is conspicuously absent from the triad. My own take is that the modern moral rot is founded in Narcissism as described in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Culture_of_Narcissism which was thought to be about the 1970s…

Perfect time to have committed the (light) cavalry! ) I've been struggling to relocate some old convos so full responses will take some time :( So here I trade prudence for urgency :) > The_Long_Con I expect to find discussions of (at least) 2 time-scales there :) (OT? Note that "prudence" morphed into "prude" (=prig) ... Only if you care to bite this "Calvinist" bait!) > plus Sadism Have to also revisit old Convo ab…

Aha, I'd originally confused your D with the DISC Directness.

Paul's subaltern comment reminded me strongly of "Life of Brian": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WboggjN_G-4&t=92s

Re: Rao, I found that I had to deliberately read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Story_of_Civilization in small chunks with large breaks, because otherwise it all blurs together in terms of being a bunch of h saps being awful to each other. More specifically to his introduction, one can see big differences in the "tournament" between say 1250 and 1500: over that period they go from being a sort of open wargame with a racing-for-pinkslips feel played over the several km of hill and dale between villages, to a sport played in an enclosed pitch in front of an audience, limited to vetted entrants with the appropriate gear.

Re: Where are the GenZ multi millionaires and billionaires?

#14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicomachean_Ethics Not all researchers in that field would 100% agree but I see D as the old dark triad (Narcissism, Machiavellianism, Psychopathy) plus Sadism which is conspicuously absent from the triad. My own take is that the modern moral rot is founded in Narcissism as described in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Culture_of_Narcissism which was thought to be about the 1970s…

https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/books/97/01/19/r... > In defending this ''union of desire and esteem,'' Lasch reveals himself as a true puritan -- not in the pejorative sense of being prudish, but in the sense of believing that good societies (on the small scale of families and the large scale of political communities) can be sustained only if desire is sanctified by respect. This is why the New England P…

alternative sol'n: bring on the Centrifugal Bumble Puppy parks; who needs actual progress as long as it's possible to sustain the illusion :-)

(come to think of it, evaluating "progress" requires the ability to compare across longer timescales, so the goldfish* of the Brave New World need not even have the illusion, because they never reflect)

* would an Edwardian complain that our recent discovery of "Goldfish with PhD's" has created entities which can expound upon the meaning of everything but the value of nothing?

Re: Where are the GenZ multi millionaires and billionaires?

#15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/books/97/01/19/r... > In defending this ''union of desire and esteem,'' Lasch reveals himself as a true puritan -- not in the pejorative sense of being prudish, but in the sense of believing that good societies (on the small scale of families and the large scale of political communities) can be sustained only if desire is sanctified by respect. This is why the New England P…

alternative sol'n: bring on the Centrifugal Bumble Puppy parks; who needs actual progress as long as it's possible to sustain the illusion :-) (come to think of it, evaluating "progress" requires the ability to compare across longer timescales, so the goldfish* of the Brave New World need not even have the illusion, because they never reflect) * would an Edwardian complain that our recent discovery of "Goldfish with…

Oh no, the cavalry scared off Paul I think :(

some times I can't even begin parsing what you mean :) it scares me a little, but also thrilling-- like very very abstract BDSM? Hope that's reciprocal :)

Which means: I see value in your (rhetorical?) questions.. because .. I still sense deep unease? (Pardon the manic schizo)

Like you always say, & I try to hold to heart: a problem worth its salt must bite back. You nibbled, but confronting the nature of (emergent society-wide) "sadism"(?) that is still somehow also seductive (to the most based of "us", I imagine), that's putting 1's head in the lion's jaw? Abstract, but feels very reallive Swiss style mil exercise?

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/europe/paying-scho...

In short, let's hasten slowly, so that we can one day put 3's and hope that'll choke the lion for a bit.. meanwhile shall we concentrate these dangerous thoughts on the periphery of our minds? (Ie centrifuge)

Paul mentioned pornography elsewhere.. he has a far less sophomoric style imho (being fullish time father of real boy explains it for me*) than either of us?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44492326

*so, not quite sabra as Joseph https://64.media.tumblr.com/6d601f74ae9201df318403b8c7e25b32...

But I also don't see myself as the kid in that pic, more as the memeshirt, or beer, or daisies ;)

Re: Where are the GenZ multi millionaires and billionaires?

#16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perfect time to have committed the (light) cavalry! ) I've been struggling to relocate some old convos so full responses will take some time :( So here I trade prudence for urgency :) > The_Long_Con I expect to find discussions of (at least) 2 time-scales there :) (OT? Note that "prudence" morphed into "prude" (=prig) ... Only if you care to bite this "Calvinist" bait!) > plus Sadism Have to also revisit old Convo ab…

Aha, I'd originally confused your D with the DISC D irectness. Paul's subaltern comment reminded me strongly of "Life of Brian": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WboggjN_G-4&t=92s Re: Rao, I found that I had to deliberately read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Story_of_Civilization in small chunks with large breaks, because otherwise it all blurs together in terms of being a bunch of h saps being awful to each other…

No (or yes..?)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44477779

Those 2 sets of aggregated data seem to correlate (cross-validate?), but I haven't checked numerically, hoped for some input from Paul first

So far, his website link seems VERY sus :)

  narcissists/sadists are forced (try?) to be indirect, *but* also fair worse in "high-context", does that mechanism make sense?
(Come to think of it, Ireland makes sense now-- that HN post of sick graph pairs also comes to mind)

So-- you might disagree-- that's something [not puppy-/goldfish-like] that I am alright with leaving in the centrifuge (for) now ;)

Re: Where are the GenZ multi millionaires and billionaires?

#17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aha, I'd originally confused your D with the DISC D irectness. Paul's subaltern comment reminded me strongly of "Life of Brian": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WboggjN_G-4&t=92s Re: Rao, I found that I had to deliberately read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Story_of_Civilization in small chunks with large breaks, because otherwise it all blurs together in terms of being a bunch of h saps being awful to each other…

No (or yes..?) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44477779 Those 2 sets of aggregated data seem to correlate (cross-validate?), but I haven't checked numerically, hoped for some input from Paul first So far, his website link seems VERY sus :) narcissists/sadists are forced (try?) to be indirect, *but* also fair worse in "high-context", does that mechanism make sense? (Come to think of it, Ireland makes sense now--…

Lagniappe

https://youtu.be/gNn9NxZH2Vo

>This is an anime ... with [legendary] Chinese [hero]... and ... a Hungarian song as the intro

Re: Where are the GenZ multi millionaires and billionaires?

#18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perfect time to have committed the (light) cavalry! ) I've been struggling to relocate some old convos so full responses will take some time :( So here I trade prudence for urgency :) > The_Long_Con I expect to find discussions of (at least) 2 time-scales there :) (OT? Note that "prudence" morphed into "prude" (=prig) ... Only if you care to bite this "Calvinist" bait!) > plus Sadism Have to also revisit old Convo ab…

Aha, I'd originally confused your D with the DISC D irectness. Paul's subaltern comment reminded me strongly of "Life of Brian": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WboggjN_G-4&t=92s Re: Rao, I found that I had to deliberately read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Story_of_Civilization in small chunks with large breaks, because otherwise it all blurs together in terms of being a bunch of h saps being awful to each other…

>the popular Front>

(I'm also carefully going through the possible reasons why upvotes on cmmnts on HN should be secret but while downvotes are almost not at all ;)

Ignoring ftm the not too interesting clusters of "prophet at home"+"hermit no-one will admit they take seriously" ideas:

-I assumed when Paul says "Republicans" he always means the guys in the Inner (& some portion* of Outer) Party.

-In my not even half baked model it's an inverted pyramid where the anti-intellectual/anti-institution ("subaltern") swing-voter base is sovereign

-Trump can go full subaltern because the guys (right+center+epsilon) that sincerely believe in (the sanctity of) the Institution "know" that It cannot be touched

-check with the very short list of "talk left walk left" historical examples, and see why no uh party member believes that "talk left smash everything" could happen -- that's way too subaltern for a moneyed dude.. and well it doesn't (not in any meaningful way-- he can't touch the Fed?)

-you may still handwave that perceptions are everything

-or you can help with baking the model (eg *what portion)

Re: Where are the GenZ multi millionaires and billionaires?

#19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No (or yes..?) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44477779 Those 2 sets of aggregated data seem to correlate (cross-validate?), but I haven't checked numerically, hoped for some input from Paul first So far, his website link seems VERY sus :) narcissists/sadists are forced (try?) to be indirect, *but* also fair worse in "high-context", does that mechanism make sense? (Come to think of it, Ireland makes sense now--…

Lagniappe https://youtu.be/gNn9NxZH2Vo >This is an anime ... with [legendary] Chinese [hero]... and ... a Hungarian song as the intro

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Re: Where are the GenZ multi millionaires and billionaires?

#20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No (or yes..?) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44477779 Those 2 sets of aggregated data seem to correlate (cross-validate?), but I haven't checked numerically, hoped for some input from Paul first So far, his website link seems VERY sus :) narcissists/sadists are forced (try?) to be indirect, *but* also fair worse in "high-context", does that mechanism make sense? (Come to think of it, Ireland makes sense now--…

Lagniappe https://youtu.be/gNn9NxZH2Vo >This is an anime ... with [legendary] Chinese [hero]... and ... a Hungarian song as the intro

Excellent! not only relevant to my interests, but reminiscent of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44507800
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