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Incapacitating Google Tag Manager (2022)

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Re: Incapacitating Google Tag Manager (2022)

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Post by krageon »

cj wrote: post #43
genewitch wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since installing it on firefox on this computer (18 months ago or so) Ad Nauseam has clicked ~$38,000 worth of ads, that i never saw. Between this and "track me not" i've been fighting back against ads and connecting my "profile" with any habits since 2016 or so. I should also note i have pihole and my own DNS server upstream, so that's thiry-eight grand in ad clicks that got through blacklists . https://www.trackmen…

[Preface: I hate ads, I love uBlock origin, I use pihole, I'm a proponent of ad blockers] I manage a Google Ads account with a $500,000 budget. That budget is spent on a mix of display ads, google search, and youtube ads. If I knew that 10% of our budget was wasted on bot clicks, there's nothing I can do as an advertiser. We can't stop advertising... we want to grow our business and advertising is how you get your na…

By hurting the advertisers you hurt google. It sucks that you are disadvantaged by it, but the truth of the matter is that once it becomes expensive enough it will not be worth it economically. And it is clear from your own message this is the only language you're willing to speak.

Re: Incapacitating Google Tag Manager (2022)

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Post by abanana »

simonsarris wrote: post #77
aerzen wrote: post #20

Am I dumb or does this article fail to explain what does the tag manager actually do? And not just with a loaded word, such as surveillance or spying, but actually technically explain what they are selling for and why it is bad.

The chief reason is that websites pay for advertising and want to know if the advertising is working and Google tag manager is the way to do that, for Google Ads. This is not unreasonable! People spend a lot of money on ads and would like to find out if and when they work. But people act like its an unspeakable nebulous crime but this is probably the most common case by miles.

Tracking website ads has become so normalised, it doesn't seem to even cross the minds of web-only marketing people to think: how has this always worked for advertising via TV, radio, billboards, newspapers/magazines, etc?

Website-based advertising is a special case - the only one that makes this tracking possible. Advertisers need to understand the huge advantage they've been given, rather than taking it as a given and thinking they have more of a right to the data, than the user has a right to not provide it.

Re: Incapacitating Google Tag Manager (2022)

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Post by TeMPOraL »

donohoe wrote: post #120
TeMPOraL wrote: post #65

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> I really don't understand what Ad Nauseam is trying to achieve. It honestly seems like it benefits Google more than it hurts them. Google is part of the problem, but they're neither the only ones nor best to target through bottom-up approaches. > It directly hurts advertisers, but not enough that it would stop anyone from advertising. You know the saying about XML - if it doesn't solve the problem, you are not usin…

> Which is why the pressure needs to go up until ~everyone wants change. I think the point made is that this adds no extra pressure.

The comment itself is evidence that it does, otherwise no one would even pay attention. But clearly the pressure is nowhere near sufficient.

Re: Incapacitating Google Tag Manager (2022)

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Post by snickerdoodle12 »

cj wrote: post #43
genewitch wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since installing it on firefox on this computer (18 months ago or so) Ad Nauseam has clicked ~$38,000 worth of ads, that i never saw. Between this and "track me not" i've been fighting back against ads and connecting my "profile" with any habits since 2016 or so. I should also note i have pihole and my own DNS server upstream, so that's thiry-eight grand in ad clicks that got through blacklists . https://www.trackmen…

[Preface: I hate ads, I love uBlock origin, I use pihole, I'm a proponent of ad blockers] I manage a Google Ads account with a $500,000 budget. That budget is spent on a mix of display ads, google search, and youtube ads. If I knew that 10% of our budget was wasted on bot clicks, there's nothing I can do as an advertiser. We can't stop advertising... we want to grow our business and advertising is how you get your na…

Oh well. Advertisers are the scum of the earth, the only thing worse is those facilitating them. Driving a wedge between advertisers and googles is a win.

Re: Incapacitating Google Tag Manager (2022)

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Post by wglb »

genewitch wrote: post #32
chamomeal wrote: post #24

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Now there’s a fun idea!! I wonder how difficult it would be to spoof events. Edit: looks like this might exist already: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/adnauseam/

Since installing it on firefox on this computer (18 months ago or so) Ad Nauseam has clicked ~$38,000 worth of ads, that i never saw. Between this and "track me not" i've been fighting back against ads and connecting my "profile" with any habits since 2016 or so. I should also note i have pihole and my own DNS server upstream, so that's thiry-eight grand in ad clicks that got through blacklists . https://www.trackmen…

What do you expect this to do, long term? I’m curious.

Re: Incapacitating Google Tag Manager (2022)

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Post by snickerdoodle12 »

dotancohen wrote: post #118
behringer wrote: post #85

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This is great. I seek out competitors to the companies that advertise so I can get the product without rewarding advertisers. Man scape? Nah, generic women's razers. Pcbway? Nope. JLCPCB. Screw your ads. Find a better way.

> JLCPCB How are they?

I've only used them once for my first (and so far only) PCB, so as a complete amateur, it was great. They rejected my first design which had an obvious flaw, and my second design was in my hands a little over a week after I uploaded it. I paid 2.60EUR for 5 (tiny) PCBs and 7.50EUR for the shipping. They even placed and soldered components for me.

Re: Incapacitating Google Tag Manager (2022)

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Post by paulryanrogers »

malfist wrote: post #56
cj wrote: post #43

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[Preface: I hate ads, I love uBlock origin, I use pihole, I'm a proponent of ad blockers] I manage a Google Ads account with a $500,000 budget. That budget is spent on a mix of display ads, google search, and youtube ads. If I knew that 10% of our budget was wasted on bot clicks, there's nothing I can do as an advertiser. We can't stop advertising... we want to grow our business and advertising is how you get your na…

You know, I'm not too worried that I'm making the lives of people who spy on me harder and wasting their money. You don't have to buy privacy violating ads. You don't have to buy targetted ads

> You don't have to buy privacy violating ads. You don't have to buy targetted ads.

Sadly, you do until the monopoly is broken up. Because as is your company probably won't survive in the market, nor you in your role, using anything else.

Re: Incapacitating Google Tag Manager (2022)

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Post by wodenokoto »

cj wrote: post #43
genewitch wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since installing it on firefox on this computer (18 months ago or so) Ad Nauseam has clicked ~$38,000 worth of ads, that i never saw. Between this and "track me not" i've been fighting back against ads and connecting my "profile" with any habits since 2016 or so. I should also note i have pihole and my own DNS server upstream, so that's thiry-eight grand in ad clicks that got through blacklists . https://www.trackmen…

[Preface: I hate ads, I love uBlock origin, I use pihole, I'm a proponent of ad blockers] I manage a Google Ads account with a $500,000 budget. That budget is spent on a mix of display ads, google search, and youtube ads. If I knew that 10% of our budget was wasted on bot clicks, there's nothing I can do as an advertiser. We can't stop advertising... we want to grow our business and advertising is how you get your na…

I’d hope you’ll find an advocacy group to join who’ll sue google for billions in fraud and lost revenue.

Re: Incapacitating Google Tag Manager (2022)

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Post by 1n4007 »

behringer wrote: post #85
cj wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[Preface: I hate ads, I love uBlock origin, I use pihole, I'm a proponent of ad blockers] I manage a Google Ads account with a $500,000 budget. That budget is spent on a mix of display ads, google search, and youtube ads. If I knew that 10% of our budget was wasted on bot clicks, there's nothing I can do as an advertiser. We can't stop advertising... we want to grow our business and advertising is how you get your na…

This is great. I seek out competitors to the companies that advertise so I can get the product without rewarding advertisers. Man scape? Nah, generic women's razers. Pcbway? Nope. JLCPCB. Screw your ads. Find a better way.

JLC advertise constantly, just look at the eevblog forums.
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