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Re: OBBB signed: Reinstates immediate expensing for U.S.-based R&D

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Post by bsenftner »

throwaway2037 wrote: post #229
me551ah wrote: post #134

I doubt if this will make much difference. Offshoring as a tactic emerged in the pandemic when companies realised that being “remote” works just as well. Sure, foreign R&D still gets amortized over 15 years (NPV ≈59 % of a full write-off, so you “lose” ~8.6 % of your R&D spend in present-value terms, and only 6.7 % of the cost is deductible in year 1, creating a 19.6 % cash-tax gap). But offshore wages are often 50–7…

> Offshoring as a tactic emerged in the pandemic when companies realised that being “remote” works just as well. I am confused by this comment. Offshoring IT work to India has been going on since the early 2000s. The established model at many non tech companies is a few people onshore talking with biz stakeholders, then directing offshore staff.

Since I 90's, I remember it.

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

pavlov wrote: post #187

Is there a more bizarre legislative process anywhere in the world? The US Congress is practically able to pass only a single giant bill every year. To work around its own deficit rules, these bills are packed with taxation time bombs where rules have expiration dates or delayed starts several years in the future. Then, if Congress doesn’t get around to defusing its own time bombs, you get situations like this R&D exp…

Congress has transformed from a body of civil servants working toward a common goal to a bunch of solipsist narcissists happy to burn everything down for more face time in the beltway media echo chamber.

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Post by myvoiceismypass »

drstewart wrote: post #184
saubeidl wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An organization of goons who grab people off the street and disappear them to concentration camps? Why does that sound so familiar? Capitalists have always been involved in the rise of fascist movements.

>Why does that sound so familiar? Probably because you've seen it repeated so much in your hyper-propaganda bubble of reddit that you've started to believe it

> Probably because you've seen it repeated so much in your hyper-propaganda bubble of reddit that you've started to believe it

I've seen it with my own eyes, no fucking thanks.

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Post by ksec »

May be a Naive Question: Has there ever been a time, where Tech or Software companies have to pay tax even when they are un-profitable. And if not, given the historic low interest rate, why not borrow and continue to grow until the company can no longer manage to spend all your debt? Correct me if I am wrong I think that used to be the playbook for Amazon.

There are companies which I dont understand why they are keeping all the profits and not reinvesting for R&D or other purposes. I must be missing an angle on this. Apart from investors, what else would it be?

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

CalRobert wrote: post #216
g0db1t wrote: post #203

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Yeah, there's simply a lot of 'Muricans thinking programming and software dev. for some reason only can be done inside of the US. As a EU senior dev I know zero senior devs making six figures pa - Go figure

It's not the heady days of 2022 but six figures shouldn't be impossible for someone with 10+ years of experience. But the trick is to (mostly) ignore the European companies and go for the American ones operating in Europe. Switzerland, Norway, and Ireland can be decent too. I'm still stunned when I see what devs are paid in Germany and southern Europe though.

>I'm still stunned when I see what devs are paid in Germany and southern Europe though.

Are German wages really low? I thought Germany as the richest country in Europe.

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Post by viraptor »

samrus wrote: post #95
viraptor wrote: post #63

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> and even the tiniest of development work required the "initiation" of a "project" with budget planning and approvals. That's fully automateable though, right? Sounds like my script to upload a PR, create a JIRA ticket with the same name, link them up, auto-Done on merge.

You cant automate the tactical assessment of "do we want to incur this tax?" Not easily anyway

I meant most of the process and boilerplate being automated. Someone still has to go through the rubberstamping process, but at least the BS and clicks can come from the BS and clicks generator.

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Post by MangoToupe »

tossandthrow wrote: post #233
munch117 wrote: post #221

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If I'm understanding this correctly then this is about a tax disincentive, making it more expensive for US companies to poach R&D talent from other countries. Not all countries will see that as a problem.

The current administration is making a huge fuss out of VAT in Europe.

Sadly, not to adopt such a sane taxation method....

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Post by zhivota »

unmole wrote: post #52
beebmam wrote: post #12

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Extra $250 fee for visa applications: https://judiciary.house.gov/media/press-releases/big-beautif... 3.5% remittance fees on sending money out of the US: https://www.globalimmigrationblog.com/2025/06/what-are-the-i... Also (in above source), no ACA subsidies for H-1B visa holders (and others), which likely means employers they will have to pay more for health care if they want to cover their immigrant workers

> 3.5% remittance fees on sending money out of the US: The version of the bill that passed a 1% excise is applicable " only to any remittance transfer for which the sender provides cash, a money order, a cashier’s check, or any other similar physical instrument ".

Ok thank you I was really worried for a second. Capital controls are on the bingo card but I was hoping it wouldn't come yet.

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Post by tossandthrow »

MangoToupe wrote: post #247
tossandthrow wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The current administration is making a huge fuss out of VAT in Europe.

Sadly, not to adopt such a sane taxation method....

No, lol! That would hamper the USs strongest asset: consumption!

which is likely being hampered anyways due to corporate greed in the financial sector - it is going to be interesting to see the actual breaking point for leveraged consumption

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #224
saubeidl wrote: post #218

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And that is exactly the mechanism through which fascist regimes keep resistance down and dissenters in a state of self-doubt. People like the guy accusing me of being "hyper-propagandized" knowingly weaponize this uncertainty to become willing enablers.

You didn't actually answer the question. It's like making the argument that denying an accusation is evidence that it's true. It's rubbish because people would also deny it if it was false.

>You didn't actually answer the question.

He never does. If you go through his comment history all he does is shill for Germany and EU how they're the best, and shit on Trump and the US how they're the worst and that's it. He never has any arguments beyond appeals to emotional manipulation of "look at the fascists" based on fake or one sided articles. Best treat him as a troll.

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