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Re: OBBB signed: Reinstates immediate expensing for U.S.-based R&D

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Actual title is "House Passes Tax Bill Sending to President for Signature – Details Inside".

I came across the article on Techmeme, and they used the following title: “President Trump signs the One Big Beautiful Bill, which allows immediate deduction of US software labor; foreign R&D still must be amortized over 15 years”.

Re: OBBB signed: Reinstates immediate expensing for U.S.-based R&D

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As a small software business owner, I have to agree with Michele Hansen (who spent 2 years advocating on behalf of small software businesses for this very change): "we’re finally going to get Section 174 relief, and I couldn’t be angrier" https://www.linkedin.com/posts/mjwhansen_it-looks-like-were-...

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post #19

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It’s an overstuffed bill because nobody will compromise on anything so the only way to pass a bill that has anything even remotely controversial to either party is one reconciliation bill a year.

> It’s an overstuffed bill because nobody will compromise on anything so the only way to pass a bill that has anything even remotely controversial to either party is one reconciliation bill a year. No, and lots of controversial bills have passed other than as reconciliation bills, and especially so during trifectas where they "controversial" within the minority party but broadly supported by the majority; reconciliat…

The last time something like that happened was probably the Patriot Act.

Re: OBBB signed: Reinstates immediate expensing for U.S.-based R&D

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If correct, this is a good thing on a generally bad, overstuffed bill. Immediate expensing never should have been changed in the first place, and it was always weird seeing people twist themselves in knots defending it.

Twisting not required. Depreciation straightforwardly applies to every other business capital expenditure. Hire someone to put a new roof on a rental property, and you're out the tens of thousands of dollars cash while only getting an immediate deduction for one thirtieth of the value. If you were expecting to pay that cash out of income, it's effectively a realized income and then reinvestment.

The recent (-ly undone) change went against decades of how things were, was crippling for medium size cashflow-positive startups, effectively increased taxes, etc. But it was really just a straightforward application of the general principles that apply to most everything else.

Re: OBBB signed: Reinstates immediate expensing for U.S.-based R&D

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post #42

As a small software business owner, I have to agree with Michele Hansen (who spent 2 years advocating on behalf of small software businesses for this very change): "we’re finally going to get Section 174 relief, and I couldn’t be angrier" https://www.linkedin.com/posts/mjwhansen_it-looks-like-were-...

I disagree, every rider was independently lobbied for and the outcome would be the same if passed separately by Congress or as a rider in a larger bill like it was.

There is no reason to have cognitive dissonance over it.

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Extra $250 fee for visa applications: https://judiciary.house.gov/media/press-releases/big-beautif... 3.5% remittance fees on sending money out of the US: https://www.globalimmigrationblog.com/2025/06/what-are-the-i... Also (in above source), no ACA subsidies for H-1B visa holders (and others), which likely means employers they will have to pay more for health care if they want to cover their immigrant workers

Quoting all the fees in https://judiciary.house.gov/media/press-releases/big-beautif... > Expansion of Immigration Fees: > $1,000 asylum application fee — first in U.S. history > $1,000 fee for individuals paroled into the U.S. > $3,500 fee for sponsors of unaccompanied children > $5,000 fee for sponsors of unaccompanied children who fail to appear in court > $550 fee for work permits > $500 application fee for Tempo…

The $100/year fee while an asylum case is pending means that the government is charging someone for the government's own inability to process cases quickly.

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Either scenario taxes are paid - it’s just how and over what time period.

In the long run, we are all dead. 20% depreciation per year for any software developed is a burden for all but the largest of companies.

This matched capex software.

Weird how the depreciation schedule changes based on how the software was acquired.

Re: OBBB signed: Reinstates immediate expensing for U.S.-based R&D

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post #12

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Source?

Extra $250 fee for visa applications: https://judiciary.house.gov/media/press-releases/big-beautif... 3.5% remittance fees on sending money out of the US: https://www.globalimmigrationblog.com/2025/06/what-are-the-i... Also (in above source), no ACA subsidies for H-1B visa holders (and others), which likely means employers they will have to pay more for health care if they want to cover their immigrant workers

The House's[1] SEC. 112104. EXCISE TAX ON REMITTANCE TRANSFERS. 3.5% tax became 1% in the Senate's[2] SEC. 70604. EXCISE TAX ON CERTAIN REMITTANCE TRANSFERS and a lot of the language changed.

The Senate made a lot of changes (Byrd rule also nuked a lot of stuff) so old articles are of limited use to the final bill.

I don't even know if [2] is the actual final text as there is neither an enrolled or public law version on congress.gov yet.

It's super annoying how often we can't read the final text of a bill before Congress votes on it.

[1] https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/1/te...

[2] https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/1/te...

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Awesome, this literally could not be better for American tech workers.

There's also H-1B (and other worker visa) restrictions/costs imposed. Overall, quite good for the American tech worker

IDK, sounds like it's a bunch of stupid misc. fees. So instead of just raising the minimum wage for H1Bs and indexing it to inflation, they raise taxes (and these taxes on H1Bs don't seem like a consequential funding source. They might even bring in less tax revenue than raising the H1B minimum wage to where it should be if it had originally been indexed to inflation.)
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